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westman995
01-02-2009, 04:53 PM
Ok as ive talked about before, i wanted to put the 700 big block liberty engine into my 99 mxzx 440 race chassis. And as you know the clutch blew up on the 440 which i believe to have also took out a crank bearing or possibly more. So i am starting to think of the 700 in the 440 chassis again. This will require some custom work, but i think it will be pretty sweet in the end. Right now the two things im worried about is the mounting, and exhaust pipe. There are a couple things in the way as far as mounting, but i think its very doable and shouldnt be too hard to get it in there, but i will need some help and ideas to do this. Ive got the 440 out of the sled, so im ready to start messing with this. If it starts looking like more than i want to do, then i guess ill just see whats up with the 440 and drop it back in there if its not too bad.

westman995
01-02-2009, 04:56 PM
As long as the engine is tilted right, the carbs will have no problem clearing the jackshaft. The 440 air box carb boots look to be the same length apart, with bigger boots from a 700 mxz or something, i think the stock 440 air box might work with it.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2801.jpg

westman995
01-02-2009, 05:00 PM
This is the thing i am most concerned with, the steering shaft is most likely going to be in the way. The liberty engine seems much longer than the 440 doo engine. The mounting bolts are way farther apart also. So i will need to do some adding onto the motor plate as well as tipping the engine somehow.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2805.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2804.jpg

Kevin Garceau
01-02-2009, 07:08 PM
First things first..... get your MXZ apart and start cleaning. Take it to a car wash, go to the store get some "foamy engine bright" and soak it down, and spray it out. The engine bright will clean the oily residue and you can start over. You cant undertake a project like this going through all the oil and sludge.

westman995
01-02-2009, 07:18 PM
First things first..... get your MXZ apart and start cleaning. Take it to a car wash, go to the store get some "foamy engine bright" and soak it down, and spray it out. The engine bright will clean the oily residue and you can start over. You cant undertake a project like this going through all the oil and sludge.

Ya im gona have to clean it again. I had the thing pretty clean before the winter started, i dono how it got so damn dirty again already.

Thing looked pretty good before the engine went in it haha
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20Doo%20MXZX/100_0291.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20Doo%20MXZX/100_0292.jpg

Polaris1man
01-02-2009, 07:36 PM
Westy, it's time to build a ditch banger for yah, get a IQ chassis, and drop a modified 440 motor in it

westman995
01-02-2009, 07:37 PM
Westy, it's time to build a ditch banger for yah, get a IQ chassis, and drop a modified 440 motor in it

I would love to do that, but if i put in a modified engine id want it to be bigger than a 440, a stock 440 race engine is nice for what it is and can keep me happy enough for the ditches.

Let me know when you find an IQ i might be able to buy.. haha

westman995
01-02-2009, 07:51 PM
I think im gona need some help with this really. I dono how im going to make the mounts for it. The stock mount is made so you can move the whole mount and adjust it, so if the clutch/belt alignment isnt 100% it shouldnt matter as long as its close to where i cand adust it like that.

But does anyone have any ideas how to mount it? Im thinking i need the engine tilted to clear the carbs, and a new y-pipe. Or possibly just raise the whole engine up til everything clears, not sure how much that would be. I think that might also work.

westman995
01-02-2009, 08:49 PM
Ok ive got some idea on mounting the engine, not sure if it will work or not. I would like to not destroy any of the 440 parts, id like to keep all the 440 parts intact so they are still usable at a later time if need be. My idea involves cutting up the 700 motor mount, which i obviously wont use for anything else at this point, only if i were to sell it. But i could use it maybe. I dono if this is a good idea, or if it will even work at all. Just ideas.
I am hoping i can get some feedback on this, see what you guys think.

Here are some pics, i hope you can understand what i am trying to do. The 440 plate is the one with mounts attached to it, and the 700 is the bigger one, as im sure you know.

700 plate
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2847.jpg

440 plate
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2848.jpg

This is what i was talking about when i said you can adjust the placement of the engine with the mounts on this thing, so i should have a little room to adjust if its not 100% perfect, i hope.
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2853.jpg

westman995
01-02-2009, 08:54 PM
Now this is what i was thinking of doing to the 700 plate, cutting it out around the motor mount holes, as pictured in red, or about like that. And then i would set that plate on top of the 440 plate. It will give it some height to clear the jackshaft, if i dont tilt the engine and just raise it, it will clear both the carbs, and the y-pipe looks as it will clear the front support, and the pipe will either fit on it, or with little modification it will fit right. How does that sound? I wish i could just bolt the two plates together, but i dont see any room to do that, so i might have to get it welded, which will in turn make the 440 plate useless for the 440 if i need to put it back in. Motor plates arent usually too expensive tho. I need some feedback on this. Let me know. I havent checked for sure if it sits the engine high enough with that plate under there or not. But does it seem as if it would work fine if i do that? It should be strong enough? The two pto side motor mount bolts will be going through both the 440 plate, and the 700 plate, so it should give some more strength to it, but the other side both will only be going through the 700 plate. I think it should be strong enough with the two bolts through both plates, and then prolly weld the two plates together all around it, and maybe even in the middle of the 700 plate where its cut out, give it lots of strength.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2847-1.jpg

Kevin Garceau
01-02-2009, 11:11 PM
Sorry...I cant answer any questions until you get that pig cleaned up :)

westman995
01-02-2009, 11:12 PM
Sorry...I cant answer any questions until you get that pig cleaned up :)

Haha ill try and get it cleaned up pretty soon, i know its so much nicer working on a clean sled.

Polaris1man
01-03-2009, 08:18 AM
You got a good Aluminum welder in mind??

Madcow
01-03-2009, 09:09 AM
its worth a try? to bolt the 700 plate onto the 440 plate. before you cut anything, get some wood shims or nuts the same thickness as the plate, put them under the engine on the 440 plate, see how the hood closes, how the carbs fit, exhaust fit.

Polaris1man
01-03-2009, 09:34 AM
And see where the pipe and can sit in the engine bay

Madcow
01-03-2009, 10:04 AM
take you time and use mock ups before you cut anything.

SnowAttitude
01-03-2009, 10:13 AM
Just buy a Polaris.






heee heeee heeeeee

Madcow
01-03-2009, 10:30 AM
^^ he had one, but made swiss cheese out of the tunnel, dang ski doo lovers.

westman995
01-03-2009, 10:40 AM
No welder in mind, but i am sure i can find one. I asked a friend if he knew anyone, he thinks he does. So we will see. Shouldnt be much to get it welded up?

Ya im trying to mock it up first, but those would be my ideas. What if it doesnt raise it enough, what could i use to shim it up just a little bit more?

The thing is i dont have an exhaust pipe right now. I set my 440 pipe and can in there to see how it fit, knowing the same exact chassis came with 6-7-800 engines, the pipes will fit the same place as the 440 pipe, just the others will be bigger. The 440 pipe looks so damn close. I feel that if i got a doo pipe, it might be tight, but it could almost fit with no mods, I might have to cut up the y-pipe maybe, i dono but taht wouldnt be the worst thing.

One thing i just thought of, is the doo pipe. The skidoo engines all have rave valves. Is that pipe going to work on my non-ves engine?

Rubi
01-03-2009, 10:43 AM
Pipes are made specifically for an engine. Why do you think aftermarket pipes are different for every application? The difference is the motor, not fitting the chassis. If you could simply swap pipes, then aftermarket pipes would just be for the chassis.

westman995
01-03-2009, 11:23 AM
Pipes are made specifically for an engine. Why do you think aftermarket pipes are different for every application? The difference is the motor, not fitting the chassis. If you could simply swap pipes, then aftermarket pipes would just be for the chassis.

Ya i know, but i was only thinking of making it fit til i remembered it had no VES, and the doo pipe i wanted to make fit the sled has valves.. I figured a doo pipe would prolly work ok. But now i remember the VES crap.. So im not sure if its going to work right.

westman995
01-03-2009, 02:33 PM
Do you think there will be enough cooling for my 700 with the stock 440 cooling set up?

westman995
01-03-2009, 02:41 PM
Well.. Im thinking twin pipes would fit under the hood, possibly. But i really want a single. Just how damn finicky are the twin pipes? I dont wana fuck around that much with getting it to run right.

westman995
01-03-2009, 04:48 PM
Ok checked some stuff up, shimmed it up to size that the plate would add. It is not enough. Should i still use the 700 plate? What should i use to add to it? If i give it more height, it looks very good that it will clear that steering shaft and i can leave it un-modified, which would be nice. Im not exactly sure how much height i need in between the 440 plate and the engine bottom, but ill get that measured up and see. Things look lots better when its raised up far enough. Right now i am wondering how do you measure center to center of clutchs or whatever? I want to use the stock 440 belt, i should be able to right?

flatlander_summit
01-03-2009, 05:51 PM
Westy, I would suggest selling the poo 700 and finding a 6, 7, or 800 doo out of a zx chassis. You should be able to get one for a bout the same price as you get for the 700. They should be easy to find, and should be a drop in application.

SnowAttitude
01-03-2009, 06:19 PM
^^^^^ I agreee

I think your gonna end up with a big mess of problems. If it where summer maybe, but its ridng season.

Buy a clutch see what happens, unless you know you have problems?

Look for a new motor????

westman995
01-03-2009, 06:38 PM
Westy, I would suggest selling the poo 700 and finding a 6, 7, or 800 doo out of a zx chassis. You should be able to get one for a bout the same price as you get for the 700. They should be easy to find, and should be a drop in application.

Find me a buyer for my engine and all components for a good enough price to get me another doo engine, i want a 700 or 800. If i coul sell this engine rgiht now and buy one, i would. But i dont see any serious buyers for my engine. Ive had emails for it, no one is serious. And it doesnt seem anyone wants to pay the price for a rebuilt engine. They want it for nothing basically.

^^^^^ I agreee

I think your gonna end up with a big mess of problems. If it where summer maybe, but its ridng season.

Buy a clutch see what happens, unless you know you have problems?

Look for a new motor????

Well im not sure, the engine wouldnt start the next day, which led me to believe it fucked the crank up. I really dont know. I never would have started this thing again if that damn clutch didnt blow up and make my motor not run, that 440 ripped good and it kept me happy, but then it wouldnt run, so the 700 idea popped into my head again.

If someone knows where i could sell the engine, id do it in a heart beat as long as i get what i need for it. If i cant get enough for a complete engine for the doo, then i might as well keep it and try the swap.

westman995
01-03-2009, 06:41 PM
But ya.. Ive been messing with it. It looks that i need the thing raised 3/4" in between the bottom of the engine and the 440 plate. It will clear the carbs, and the steering shaft, and i can get my center to center on the clutches like that too.

Then.. Comes another problem. The exhaust i dont think the doo exhaust is going to fit anymore, let alone who knows if it will ever function right with it. The exhaust looks like it will be way too close to the water pump/recoil housing. The new pipe could very well touch it, and if not there is a good chance when its running it could move and touch it, not good. Ill add pics soon. I got that info from setting the 440 pipe and can in there, knowing the 700 pipe and can bolt into the same place,it will be pretty similar.

Polaris_800rmk
01-03-2009, 07:06 PM
Don't get discouraged Westman, if anyone can pull this off I am sure you can LOL.

westman995
01-03-2009, 07:32 PM
Don't get discouraged Westman, if anyone can pull this off I am sure you can LOL.

Hey if i could sell the 700 right now and get what i want for it, or enough for a nice doo engine i for sure would do it. I would like to be ready to ride, when, and if we get any damn snow around here.

Ill post pics up soon so we can see what im working with right now.

westman995
01-03-2009, 08:18 PM
Ok here are the updates of what ive found out and pics..

I have a piece of wood under the engine, it is about 3/4" thick. Seems to be a good overall height.. Kinda....
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2854.jpg

Well i find that if its raised straight up and not tilted. The exhaust has alot more chance of hitting the recoil housing, i think. So if it were tipped it possibly would allow more room for a pipe. That is my 440 pipe, i assume the 700 doo pipe will be larger around than this, so it will NOT work at all.
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2858.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2859.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2866.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2864.jpg

See this is how close it is, if it werent for that the stock skidoo pipe and can would fit with no mods maybe, but maybe a y-pipe mod would be all thats needed and wouldnt be much.
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2867.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2868.jpg

westman995
01-03-2009, 08:21 PM
Carb clearances.. Im not really sure on this part. It seems fairly close to the steering stem, im guessing that it could very well easily hit the steering stem when its got the torque from the engine? BUT, the torque mount on the 440 chassis is in the way so i cant move it over anymore, the belt alignment looks pretty close to me. But maybe the engine can be moved over a little more and clear the steering stem? It does look like the alignment can move some more, but this is just by eye.
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2863.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2862.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2856.jpg

westman995
01-03-2009, 08:24 PM
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2861.jpg

westman995
01-03-2009, 08:27 PM
So... Anymore feedback on this? Look fairly do-able? Id love to do this, this sled would flat out rip, and no one else has one of these. Im not sure how i will get the motor raised up 3/4 of and inch tho.. Im thinking the tilted way might be better, It will bring the carbs higher, but the y-pipe lower, but should also tilt the recoil housing so there is more clearance for a pipe. I found a y-pipe on ebay, not sure if it fits my engine but i assume it does, and it tilts upwards instead of down like mine. So it would work great with the engine tilted.

westman995
01-03-2009, 08:31 PM
Here is the y-pipe i was thinking would work. Its upside down in the pics. I found it on ebay.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/0cdd_1.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/494a_1.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/29fa_1.jpg

OCR
01-04-2009, 02:05 AM
You could have the Y-pipe cut off the mounting plate and rewelded turned over so it tilts up more. I have done this before when I put a Poo engine into a cat frame and it works quite well.

SnowAttitude
01-04-2009, 08:35 AM
I think your supose to run a striaght edge between the two clutches to make sure there straight??

If your engine isnt square, you will be eating belts

Good Luck.

westman995
01-04-2009, 10:27 AM
You could have the Y-pipe cut off the mounting plate and rewelded turned over so it tilts up more. I have done this before when I put a Poo engine into a cat frame and it works quite well.

Ya thats not a bad idea, and it should work. Ill check into that once i have the engine mounted in there. Making the y-pipe go to the right angle shouldnt be one of the hardest things in the project.


I think your supose to run a striaght edge between the two clutches to make sure there straight??

If your engine isnt square, you will be eating belts

Good Luck.


Ya i thought i asked before and thought someone said you need the actaul tool thing to make sure its straight?

westman995
01-04-2009, 12:55 PM
So how do i make sure the clutches are square so the belt alignment is good? Like i said the 440 plate allows me to adjust that, but i would like it to be pretty close so it can still be adjusted right.

SnowAttitude
01-04-2009, 01:08 PM
In the "old days", I thought they use to put a straight edge on the inside of the secondary to the inside of the primary.

Clutches shoud be flat against it. Or you would measure the difference, oh hell it was something like that.

But. nowdays????

westman995
01-04-2009, 01:21 PM
In the "old days", I thought they use to put a straight edge on the inside of the secondary to the inside of the primary.

Clutches shoud be flat against it. Or you would measure the difference, oh hell it was something like that.

But. nowdays????

I dono but i hope its as easy as that, as you all know this is gona be a budget build. Most i want to buy is the exhaust system and to get my motor plate welded up. And maybe a few other smaller parts i might end up needing

westman995
01-04-2009, 01:33 PM
Ok since just the 440 and 700 plate together isnt tall enough for my clearances, I have another idea. I have another motor mount plate off a wedge sled, will never use it, its from an evolved style. I was thinking i could use that between the 440 and 700 plate. It wouldnt go all the way to the other side for the 700 engine bolt mount holes. But that would benefit me in clearance of the steering shaft more. Could i make this strong enough to work? I dont want to have to worry about the motor mount breaking if i do this.

If you cant tell what im trying to say ill get pics and post them.

westman995
01-04-2009, 03:08 PM
Ok i checked the height of the evolved style plate, and the 700 one together. It looks like that will give me the right height. The way im thinking it will give me room for the steering post for sure. And what im thinking is it will work perfect. But just the strength like i said, can i make i strong enough with all that shit welded together?

Madcow
01-04-2009, 05:23 PM
why arent you using the 700 pipe? i doubt the 440 pipe will work worth a darn on the 700, you might be making peak power at 9000 rpm or some goofy thing like that??

clutch offset on polaris is that the secondary sits 5/8" inside of the primary, back of inside sheave of both clutches.

you get it all mounted up and bring it up here, i can help fit the stock 700 pipe.

westman995
01-04-2009, 05:27 PM
why arent you using the 700 pipe? i doubt the 440 pipe will work worth a darn on the 700, you might be making peak power at 9000 rpm or some goofy thing like that??

clutch offset on polaris is that the secondary sits 5/8" inside of the primary, back of inside sheave of both clutches.

you get it all mounted up and bring it up here, i can help fit the stock 700 pipe.

No no, not using the 440 pipe. I am only setting it in there to get ideas, i know the 700 doo pipes mount in the same exact place and are similar.

I dont think its possible to fit that 700 pipe in the sled, its way too big around. Would i be better off looking for an aftermarket 700 single pipe for the engine that might fit better and easier to get in there? Did you see how the 700 pipe fits in there? ill post pics

What do you think of a 700 doo pipe on it?

westman995
01-04-2009, 05:29 PM
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2870.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2871.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2872.jpg

westman995
01-04-2009, 05:31 PM
And i do not want to cut the hood up to make the pipe fit.. Wont that also allow a bunch of snow in?

Madcow
01-04-2009, 05:59 PM
does the pipe hit the hood now? the pipe can be brought towards the engine with no problem, you will loose some of the aluminum cover though. put the hood on and see how close to the hood the pipe comes.

westman995
01-04-2009, 06:18 PM
does the pipe hit the hood now? the pipe can be brought towards the engine with no problem, you will loose some of the aluminum cover though. put the hood on and see how close to the hood the pipe comes.

The hood does not fit on at all with the pipe in this position, it needs to be brought closer to the engine, like to the side of the engine. Then it gets closer to fitting, But i think its still quite a ways from fitting. Will get pics with the pipe closer to the engine and the hood and stuff.

Slamdry
01-04-2009, 06:23 PM
what if you took the heat sheild off cut like a inch or so out of the bend and welded it back togeather??? you wouldnt loose any of the champer so it shouldnt effect porformance at all.

westman995
01-04-2009, 06:27 PM
what if you took the heat sheild off cut like a inch or so out of the bend and welded it back togeather??? you wouldnt loose any of the champer so it shouldnt effect porformance at all.

I dont think it will still fit under the hood, but the closer i can get it to the engine the better off ill be i think. I need to go out and check clearances and stuff like that, ill post pics pretty soon.

Polaris_800rmk
01-04-2009, 06:28 PM
Westman, bite the bullet, get the motor in the sled and take the sled up to Madcow, an afternoon of cutting and welding and that sled will be ready to rock.

westman995
01-04-2009, 06:34 PM
Westman, bite the bullet, get the motor in the sled and take the sled up to Madcow, an afternoon of cutting and welding and that sled will be ready to rock.

Id love to, wanna tell me how i can get the sled up there tho?

Polaris_800rmk
01-04-2009, 06:36 PM
Doesn't your dad have a truck?

westman995
01-04-2009, 06:38 PM
Doesn't your dad have a truck?

Ya.. I dont think he will be able to bring me tho. Its quite a drive up there! over 3 hours it looks like.

westman995
01-04-2009, 06:39 PM
Not looking too good for the stock polaris pipe in here..

Even with the pipe all the way over there, the hood still hits it quite a bit, the hood isnt too close to shutting. And i dont think we can even mod the pipe that much to move over that far anyways???
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2879.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/100_2876.jpg

Slamdry
01-04-2009, 07:37 PM
what if you built a custome mesh hood?? i think somone did it last year and it looked rather good.

westman995
01-04-2009, 11:25 PM
what if you built a custome mesh hood?? i think somone did it last year and it looked rather good.

Not too sure about that.. And thats just gona start costing more money! haha


So what do you think of my motor mount idea now? it would have 3 motor plates total haha.. The stock 440, a evolved one just cut up for a spacer to shim it up higher, and the 700 one for mounting the engine to it. I think it will work good, just the strength is what im worried about. Any thoughts on that?

Madcow
01-05-2009, 10:26 AM
what if you tried the 440 pipe? with the stock 700 clutching and the 440 pipe see what rpms the motor spins at, see how it idles, mid range, throttle response, and wide open, you can run it on the grass and see what it does. who knows, maybe the pipe will work just need to find what rpm it works at?

westman995
01-05-2009, 12:46 PM
what if you tried the 440 pipe? with the stock 700 clutching and the 440 pipe see what rpms the motor spins at, see how it idles, mid range, throttle response, and wide open, you can run it on the grass and see what it does. who knows, maybe the pipe will work just need to find what rpm it works at?

Id try it but it doesnt fit on the y-pipe opening. Its too small, it almost fits i think, but not quite.

Madcow
01-05-2009, 12:52 PM
you cant cut any length out of the pipe anywhere, you have to cut angles and rotate them to make a pipe fit, if you remove any of the head pipe you raise the rpm. 10mm off the head pipe and center section can raise the rpm by 500 rpm. so it dont take much to change a pipe.

Polaris_800rmk
01-05-2009, 02:41 PM
what if you tried the 440 pipe? with the stock 700 clutching and the 440 pipe see what rpms the motor spins at, see how it idles, mid range, throttle response, and wide open, you can run it on the grass and see what it does. who knows, maybe the pipe will work just need to find what rpm it works at?

Sure, 11,000 RPM's is a good range to be in. LOL

Madcow
01-05-2009, 03:14 PM
lol it might be making power though!!!

westman995
01-05-2009, 04:45 PM
HA! And just how long do you think it will last spinning 11k??? Haha.. Would be funny tho, Well not to see my engine blow, but someone elses haha..

I could possibly fit the 440 pipe on there without or with another donut gasket thing, should i try it once its mounted? I gotta get her running in the sled with the stock pipe and no hood first. Then comes the pipe problem.

So just how damn finicky are twin pipes? I think i could fit twins in there im guessing, i think i know a guy that has some, i could set them in my sled and see how they fit. But i siad this before i really do not want to go with twin pipes, as far as what i have read.

Dirty_Harry
01-05-2009, 04:57 PM
Why dont you take off the heat shield? Save weight and room?

westman995
01-05-2009, 05:33 PM
Why dont you take off the heat shield? Save weight and room?

Thats not going to give me any room to work with.

Dirty_Harry
01-05-2009, 06:21 PM
Just a thought.

Madcow
01-05-2009, 06:23 PM
HA! And just how long do you think it will last spinning 11k??? Haha.. Would be funny tho, Well not to see my engine blow, but someone elses haha..

I could possibly fit the 440 pipe on there without or with another donut gasket thing, should i try it once its mounted? I gotta get her running in the sled with the stock pipe and no hood first. Then comes the pipe problem.

So just how damn finicky are twin pipes? I think i could fit twins in there im guessing, i think i know a guy that has some, i could set them in my sled and see how they fit. But i siad this before i really do not want to go with twin pipes, as far as what i have read.

he as twin pipes for your 700 xc? set them in there and see how they fit. twins wont be so bad, better than a 440 pipe makeing power at 6500 rpm or 11000 rpm.

westman995
01-05-2009, 06:26 PM
he as twin pipes for your 700 xc? set them in there and see how they fit. twins wont be so bad, better than a 440 pipe makeing power at 6500 rpm or 11000 rpm.

He has twins on an xc, not sure if its for mine or not. Id have to check. But he has twin pipes. Its the guy i bought alot of my parts from, that 500 engine, plastic skis, and a bunch of other stuff. Im guessing he wouldnt mind too much to let me set them in my sled and see how they fit. Then if they fit good i could maybe buy a set.

Whats the max RPM on my 700 engine?

Dirty_Harry
01-05-2009, 06:27 PM
Pipes make everything better! Will the guy let you try them out?

Madcow
01-05-2009, 06:27 PM
whatever the pipes are designed for, 8500 isnt bad for stock porting,

westman995
01-05-2009, 06:42 PM
Pipes make everything better! Will the guy let you try them out?

Not sure, i just emailed him. He might, ive bought quite a few things from him. Hes a cool guy too so we will see. Im not sure about let me try them out, but im guessing he will let me see if they fit in my sled. Plus i wont have the right jetting for them, i dotn think he wants to tear into his carbs and all that too haha.. Id be happy just to see if they fit in the sled or not.

whatever the pipes are designed for, 8500 isnt bad for stock porting,

Ok cool, im really hoping the doo tach will work on the polaris engine. Would look retarded with a black polaris tach, and a white doo speedo. As long as they are the same pulse, should be good to go, right?

Madcow
01-05-2009, 07:00 PM
probably not, you can try it but chances are you will be running the poo tach?

westman995
01-05-2009, 07:06 PM
probably not, you can try it but chances are you will be running the poo tach?

Damn it.. That will really suck. I like those doo gauges. We will see i guess.

Polaris_800rmk
01-05-2009, 07:12 PM
Run what works, who cares how it looks.

westman995
01-05-2009, 07:14 PM
Run what works, who cares how it looks.

Well i do haha.. Those white gauges are nice and i can see them good at night. Black ones are ugly haha.. O well, do what i have to. If i have to run the polaris tach, id like to run the polaris speedo too, which im not sure if that will work? Im guessing it wont.

westman995
01-05-2009, 07:15 PM
So noboday has commented about my motor mount idea since i changed it up a little.. Any thoughts on that? The 440 stock plate, another plate just for a spacer, and the 700 plate on top for the mounts and to go all the way to the other side since the other plates arent long enough for the mount holes on the engine.

Polaris_800rmk
01-05-2009, 07:21 PM
I thought Madcow told you to mock it up to see if it works.

westman995
01-05-2009, 07:24 PM
I thought Madcow told you to mock it up to see if it works.

Are you talking about the mounting? Check the pics, i got a piece of wood under the engine about 3/4" and it seems pretty good height, and i measured the two plates together and its pretty close to 3/4".. Im just wondering if anyone thinks it wont be strong enough for some reason?

westman995
01-05-2009, 07:57 PM
So lets say i do go with twin pipes, and either brand will fit, What should i go with? SLP, PSI, others??

TeamYardsale
01-06-2009, 07:18 AM
I frequent the XC/XCR forum alot and not alot of people run twins, but the ones that do are on SLP. I think ive also seen a couple of HTG also, but mainly SLP.

westman995
01-06-2009, 08:35 AM
I was kinda thinking SLP but no idea.. Anyone else?

I think i found a friends dad that can weld my motor plate, he said hes good at welding and used to do it for a job and can weld alot of types.

Madcow
01-06-2009, 08:48 AM
between nothing and psi, i choose nothing, so slp wins that choice, if going brand new I would go aaen hands down over slp.

westman995
01-06-2009, 08:56 AM
between nothing and psi, i choose nothing, so slp wins that choice, if going brand new I would go aaen hands down over slp.

Not gona be going brand new, way too spendy. Im hoping to find a nice set that will fit, in good shape, for a nice price. Right now i do have the money i can buy a set of pipes for it if needed. I dont see too many aaen pipes around, dont see why, those are supposed to be some good pipes right madcow?

Also with my buddies dad helping me welding it, and prolly cutting it up that will save me bringing it to somewhere. I just wish i could put a couple bolts in it, bolt all the plats together just for a little added strength to be safe. Dont think there is any room for it tho. Should be good as long as its welded up good?

Rubi
01-06-2009, 12:15 PM
The plate is just mounted to the sled with bolts. Why can't you just bolt the plates together? You can use those tapered panhead bolts that have a hex drive. Then just countersink the holes on top. They'd sit flush then. You should have room for nuts on the bottom.

Vertical_Escape
01-06-2009, 12:34 PM
Same thing I was thinking .....^^^

westman995
01-06-2009, 04:45 PM
I would like to do that, i think i will both bolt it and get it welded together???

SnowAttitude
01-06-2009, 05:27 PM
See all the problems that are caused by cross breeding. :buttlove:

Just not good.

SnowAttitude
01-06-2009, 05:28 PM
oops

Dirty_Harry
01-06-2009, 08:41 PM
What just happened?

westman995
01-06-2009, 08:45 PM
What just happened?

Dono? Snowattitude just went crazy with his pic collection it looks like!

SnowAttitude
01-06-2009, 11:02 PM
Just showing you what happens for putting a Polaris in a Ski Doo>>> you end up with a DooPoo.LOL

Just giving yeah crap.

OCR
01-07-2009, 03:24 AM
No, that's PooDoo!!!

SnowAttitude
01-07-2009, 07:34 AM
Heee heee hee That it ^^^^^

westman995
01-07-2009, 09:27 PM
Well.. I found a set of SLP twins, im buying them. I hope they fit. Im having them shipped so i cant check first. But i dont really care, i think it will be tons easier fitting the pipes than the stock single.

SLP website says 16 HP gain, close or is that bullshit???

westman995
01-10-2009, 01:00 AM
Anyone, info on the SLP twins HP gain?

Might get to work on my sled tomorrow, get some motor mounts fabbed up, gona just bolt it together at first, but will have it welded up nice and strong once its done and ready to ride. Looks like it shouldnt be hard at all get a torque stop rihgt where i need it, too bad i gave the rubber screw stop thing away when a guy came and got parts from the xc, o well i guess. I might have another.

Polaris_800rmk
01-10-2009, 01:48 AM
Twins at sea level can be a little tricky to set up.

westman995
01-10-2009, 01:49 AM
Twins at sea level can be a little tricky to set up.

So ive read before. Hear about those ATACC or whatever the hell they are, that adjust your jetting for you. Would that work with twin pipes or not?

Polaris_800rmk
01-10-2009, 01:52 AM
I am not an expert by any means in this area, Powersledder, Hog, even Madcow would know more about those things. Personally, I don't trust anything that "automatically" adjusts for altitude or jetting that is aftermarket.

westman995
01-10-2009, 01:53 AM
I am not an expert by any means in this area, Powersledder, Hog, even Madcow would know more about those things. Personally, I don't trust anything that "automatically" adjusts for altitude or jetting that is aftermarket.

That would be pretty sweet if that shit worked with the twin pipes, i know there a few different type or those things, variflow, and stuff.. Lets see what they say about those. I would invest in that if its worth it.

Madcow
01-10-2009, 12:50 PM
the automatics can be great when they work, there is always some down fall, like when you stop, the guage is under the hood, the gauge will get warm when you stop for 10 minute break, take off again and it will be a little on the lean side until it cools off from air flow again. it might take 10 seconds or 2 miles?
some guys love them and some hate them.

i personally like the adjustable dial a jet like verticle has, its not very automatic but it is very easy to adjust on the trail.

westman995
01-10-2009, 09:44 PM
Hmm.. Well does it seem to do that if the sled is sitting there running or even just from being warm and then stopping it will get warm enough to do that? Im thinking i might buy one, gona worry about all the other shit first tho. But, thinking ahead would it be worth it?

I think my post disapeared i asked about the mounts, i dono i didnt check.

But anyways, i was wondering if i should just use two strips of aluminum for spacers, or should i use the entire plate? Will it matter much if i just use two strips of aluminum? Strength?

westman995
01-11-2009, 02:44 AM
Ok im not feeling real great about the twin pipes fitting, its not looking good. I dont have them yet, but ive been checking shit out, how much room i got, other pics of twin pipes, dont think they are gona fit right under my hood like i was hoping. O well, we will see for sure when i have them in my hands.

Well i stayed up all night working on shit, i got my plates cut up, They are not 100% perfectly straight, but i think they are good enough. All i care is that the engine is in straight when im done. And knowing i have a little adjustment room from the 440 mounts on the frame, i feel it will turn out as long as i get it pretty close, then once its in its time to fine tune the clutch alignment and shit.

I have also found that the clutch alignment method either with a tool or without and using the square or whatever, will not work for this. The 5/8" or whatever offset is not even close to what it will be with the polaris primary and the doo secondary. I hope this shit is going to end up working ok, as far as the secondary clutch and belt and what not. I eventually need to get the shims out of the primary to accomodate the slightly thinner skidoo belt.

I also found that it looks like i have plenty of carb room from the steering post. The clearance of the main steering arm below the engine also is looking good. Mostly everything is looking to be fairly smooth right now. Big concern is pipes, and clutch alignment i guess.

Now i just need to find a way to have all the shit setting in the right place in the sled, then get it out in the exact same place so that i can drill holes in the plates to hold them together. Once i know its good to go, i am getting it all welded up so that its for sure strong, and the bolt holes wont egg out over time.

westman995
01-11-2009, 02:52 AM
Many pics to be posted tomorrow, too fuckin tired tonight..

If anyone has any ideas how i can get the clutch alignment good, or pretty close let me know. If not, i might just by my eyes and see how it works.....

OCR
01-11-2009, 03:34 AM
Use the Poo secondary.

westman995
01-11-2009, 10:04 AM
I cant..

SnowAttitude
01-11-2009, 09:05 PM
Here's something interesting

Also check the part out about Stacy of Gears put a Fuji motor into a Doo.

http://vintagesleds.com/bs/index.php?topic=23259.0

westman995
01-12-2009, 09:32 AM
Here's something interesting

Also check the part out about Stacy of Gears put a Fuji motor into a Doo.

http://vintagesleds.com/bs/index.php?topic=23259.0

I checked it out, that is pretty cool.

westman995
01-12-2009, 09:37 AM
Here is my progress from the other day. It took me a while to get the motor plates cut up. This is what i ended up with. And no they are not 100% straight, and honestly i dont care right now as long as it WORKS! haha..

So that day was mostly just cutting shit, seeing how its gona fit, making sure i cut it in the right places and all that good fun stuff..

Im not totally sure about this spacer, with that larger hole in it. Its kinda in the way for one of the motor mount holes, the bolt that goes into the engine itself.

The spacer plate
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%20-%20MXZX/100_2899.jpg

The 700 plate
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%20-%20MXZX/100_2904.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%20-%20MXZX/100_2905.jpg

Some more pics
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%20-%20MXZX/100_2908.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%20-%20MXZX/100_2910.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%20-%20MXZX/100_2902.jpg

Madcow
01-12-2009, 11:52 AM
you should care if they are straight, pride boy pride.

how much clearance is there between the primary sheave and the belt?

westman995
01-12-2009, 11:56 AM
Ok, i lied i do care if they are straight, but i think they are fairly close and good for what i had to work with. And as long as my motor mount holes are square or straight, thats what matters most. Also i have some adjustment in my 440 plate, so im good to go, i believe so far atleast. The center to center on the belt looks to be good as i measured it up. I notice the p85 primary has a bigger around inner sheave part, the part the belt goes around, like around the shaft. Its a little bigger.

Um im not sure i can get a close up pic of that, or try and measure it or something.

Madcow
01-12-2009, 11:57 AM
use feeler gauges, or drill bits if you have any small enough.

westman995
01-12-2009, 12:03 PM
use feeler gauges, or drill bits if you have any small enough.

Are those little metal strips with numbers on them? I always thought those were for spark plugs, or are they?

Madcow
01-12-2009, 12:05 PM
for anything, use them for setting ring end gap, spark plugs, belt clearance.

westman995
01-12-2009, 12:07 PM
Ok cool, i have some of those i saw them the other day too. Found two more.

By the way, the engine is mounted in the sled, its not welded. Its bolted together, i have pics i just gotta get them together and post them up. I think it looks good, so far.

Madcow
01-12-2009, 12:12 PM
now you can add right, so if you have a .025 feeler guage and a .018 feeler gauge to get the gap you can add them together you know that right?!

westman995
01-12-2009, 12:25 PM
now you can add right, so if you have a .025 feeler guage and a .018 feeler gauge to get the gap you can add them together you know that right?!

Yep, i think i can handle that! It will be a little before i get that tho, i wont be going out there for a little. Gona add some pics..

westman995
01-12-2009, 12:26 PM
I know my motor mount set up isnt the prettiest thing, but it should work out fine, i sure hope so atleast.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%20-%20MXZX/100_2951.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%20-%20MXZX/100_2953.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%20-%20MXZX/100_2950.jpg

westman995
01-12-2009, 12:29 PM
This little thing right here, bearing housing thing, it had a long triangle looking thing part on it for the 440 torque stop, i cut it off with a grinder so its just circle, so i can fit my new torque stop in there. You can see what part was cut off, since its cleaner where it was.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%20-%20MXZX/100_2959.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%20-%20MXZX/100_2960.jpg

Torque stop off another polaris, not sure what sled, but seems to fit in there just right.
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%20-%20MXZX/100_2962.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%20-%20MXZX/100_2963.jpg

westman995
01-12-2009, 12:37 PM
Plenty of carb clearance, looks about perfect actually.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%20-%20MXZX/100_2964.jpg

Madcow
01-12-2009, 12:53 PM
ok, with the clutchs on the sled and the belt on it, look at it from the top looking down, then go look at the indy you have running, look at the relationship of the angle of the belt between the two clutches.

SnowAttitude
01-12-2009, 05:35 PM
Ill give you credit kid, your taking on a big project and it looks like you doing a damn good job, keep up the good work.

Polaris_800rmk
01-12-2009, 05:38 PM
Ill give you credit kid, your taking on a big project and it looks like you doing a damn good job, keep up the good work.

X2 No kidding Westman. It is looking nice.

westman995
01-12-2009, 06:03 PM
Thanks guys!!

And im not gona lie, i started thinking "I might have taken on a little bigger project than i might be able to handle, or have the tools and knowledge to do"

But I dono, so far looks fairly decent. If it wasnt freezing as fuck, id get the sled cleaned up, But its just too cold, i have nowhere to clean it up, my garage doesnt have drains in the floor either.

Snowattitude, once this beast runs, you will have to see this thing in person since your close, id love to go ride some trials once i know its running good and good to go!

Polaris_800rmk
01-12-2009, 06:05 PM
Well, you only have a few weeks for it to be ready for Rampage in Rockland.

westman995
01-12-2009, 06:06 PM
ok, with the clutchs on the sled and the belt on it, look at it from the top looking down, then go look at the indy you have running, look at the relationship of the angle of the belt between the two clutches.

Ill do that next time im out working on it, im actually tired as hell, been working on this thing for almost two days straight, well not full days but quite a few hours straight working away. Shit, saturday night i think it was i stayed out there til after 1..

The kids dad that is gona weld my plate, the kid is out of town, went to SD for some riding, let him borrow my 1.5" lug track since he has a tiny track haha. he will be gone all week, so who knows when ill get my shit welded. Im gona talk to him see if i could bring it to his house and his dad can weld it before he gets back maybe.

westman995
01-12-2009, 06:08 PM
Well, you only have a few weeks for it to be ready for Rampage in Rockland.

I honestly feel i could have it done by then, if i had all the tools and shit i need this thing would be done already! haha.. Well maybe not with school and all, but close.

Also, im not feeling too great about fittina ANY kind of pipes in there. its not looking close at all. Im getting SLP twins, but i prolly wont have them til maybe the end of the week, hope those fuckers fit decent!

O ya, and how am i gona get there anyways???

TeamYardsale
01-12-2009, 06:24 PM
Westman that shit is crazy! Were about the same age and I could never (will never) take on a sled project like that.

You gotta get to rockland. Donation thread!

westman995
01-12-2009, 08:55 PM
Westman that shit is crazy! Were about the same age and I could never (will never) take on a sled project like that.

You gotta get to rockland. Donation thread!

Arent you like a few years younger than me? Im 18 dude. haha..

Also, its not really the money at this point, but will soon be money i believe after this project is done. Its more of a way to get there, i know if people had room, they would prolly let me hitch a ride, but i have no way of getting to anyone that is even close to me. Are you going?

westman995
01-12-2009, 09:05 PM
I been working on the wiring, it shouldnt be too hard. Im pretty good with electronics and stuff. The guy never sent the money for the voltage regulator, so i wont have to buy another one it looks like.

Im not sure how im gona set my primer up for these kehein carbs, this sled didnt come with a primer, i mean the 700 didnt. I know the 99s came with primers, but im not totally sure how they work. My friend has a 99 600 rmk so ill check that out next time i see it.

Im really hoping the wiring for the tail light/brake sensor is going to work fine, just gona splice it together. Other than that, i havent found anything that should be a problem at all. Just gona be shortening, adding to and rerouting wires and most should be good to go.

But im not going to get too carried away and finish up the wiring, due to the fact im not sure if i can use the skidoo gauges or not, if i can ill be doing more, if i gotta use the polaris ones i can just plug it in to all the connectors.

So far the thing is looking pretty good. Still a little worried about an exhaust tho. :poosy:

OCR
01-13-2009, 04:35 AM
Have faith grasshopper!
You can do it.

Madcow
01-13-2009, 09:49 AM
your 700 carbs have a choke, so dont worry about the primer for now.

westman995
01-13-2009, 09:51 AM
your 700 carbs have a choke, so dont worry about the primer for now.

I know, but the choke sucks haha. Ill get it running without the primer but im going to add it eventually, i really like the primer better.

westman995
01-13-2009, 12:37 PM
Anyone know if i can just use the 440 plug wires on my 700 cdi box? The 440 ones are longer, then i can get a better placement of my cdi box when i get ready to mount it. The 700 one was mounted right on top of the air box. The 440 one was mounted down by the driveshaft on a plate with the other electronics stuff.

Vertical_Escape
01-13-2009, 03:10 PM
What looks to be the problem with pipes? Clearance on hood or pan? If it's hood, run that bitch sans hood.

westman995
01-13-2009, 03:23 PM
What looks to be the problem with pipes? Clearance on hood or pan? If it's hood, run that bitch sans hood.

Havent thought too much about the belly pan, i think the problem will be the hood. I dont have the pipes yet, ill hopefully have them by the end of this week if im lucky. Sans hood???

westman995
01-13-2009, 03:25 PM
Does that mean without a hood? haha.. If so, i cant really ride down the ditch and trail with no hood! haha

OCR
01-13-2009, 03:41 PM
That's exactly what it means.
No hood.

westman995
01-13-2009, 08:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qddT7Ejfohc&feature=channel_page

Dirty_Harry
01-13-2009, 08:58 PM
Sounds good! Now make it work already!

westman995
01-13-2009, 09:00 PM
Sounds good! Now make it work already!

Actually it doesnt sound that great yet haha. It sounds pretty rich, has some bog to it. Im working on that! haha.. First i need to get my motor plates welded up before i actually run it, its just bolted together, and i dont feel safe running it much with just the bolts i have in it. Not with the torque that will be pushing on it when im riding it. Im gona get a better video with light tomorrow, school was two hours late today,if im lucky its gona get cancelled tomorrow! Its cold as fuck, but best of all its snowing again! :mr:

westman995
01-13-2009, 09:43 PM
I hooked up the tach from the 96 mxz 583 i parted out, and it looked like it worked right, so i have a good feeling my white face 440 tach will work. I sure hope so atleast.

westman995
01-15-2009, 08:26 PM
Well i went and dropped my motor mount off at a metal and welding shop. Hopefully its gona be done tomorrow after school and i can pick it up.

I really keep getting over myself thinking that its even possible i get to ride this sled this weekend. Not gona happen, maybe test run in the yard if anything. I still have tons of things to do, and some things i need to buy, which that is the bad part, i just wish i could buy shit in town instead of having to buy everything online.

Im pretty sure ill be needing some jets for the twin pipes, i need a new primary spring. Im not sure about the secondary yet.

But my first things i want to buy are a primary spring and jets and should be good to do some testing. I think....

Powersledder
01-15-2009, 08:38 PM
210/215 should be good jetting for the pipes, as long as it don't get this cold again.

westman995
01-15-2009, 09:06 PM
Well hiperf.com doesnt even have any kehein jets in stock, well like 175s and one other thats it, nothing i can use.

And do i wana use stock needles and pilots?

westman995
01-16-2009, 09:54 PM
Got my plate welded, picked it up a while after school. I been working on the sled, so ill be posting pics up later. Im just trying to figure out how and where exactly i should place the fuel pump. its gona be where the 440 pump was, but i gotta figure which position, not much room down there to work with.

westman995
01-17-2009, 12:29 AM
Ok pics of my masterpiece of a motor mount, custom shit right here.. haha..

Before weld
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%202%20-%20MXZ/100_3003.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%202%20-%20MXZ/100_3006.jpg

After weld
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%202%20-%20MXZ/100_3015.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%202%20-%20MXZ/100_3017.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%202%20-%20MXZ/100_3014.jpg

So, im wondering how the welds look? I have no idea how aluminum welds, or any welds are supposed to look and tell if they are good. A guy came in the metal shop and saw it when i picked it up and was saying it welded good? I dono.. He said it should be strong tho. Agree? Its not totally welded every place, but has some nice thick welds it looks like.

westman995
01-17-2009, 12:45 AM
So i got the engine mounted, and i shouldnt have to remove it again. Ive started on the wiring like i said before i think, but still alot left to do. I think i got all my fuel lines routed good now. Fuel pump screwed down. Cooling line cut and added a piece from the xc. Only had to cut one hose, and add that one piece, so im glad i didnt have to cut much up in the cooling lines. So far so good as far as not ruining any 440 parts, minus the motor plate, that will never be able to be used for the 440 engine again.

Here are some pics. If i work my ass off tomorrow, ill be able to test it out in the yard with no hood, and stock exhaust. I think i will try it tomorrow, and just not finsih up all the wiring for the handwarmers and crap like that, just get the killswitch and the needed things to test it out hooked up.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%202%20-%20MXZ/100_3031.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%202%20-%20MXZ/100_3035.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%202%20-%20MXZ/100_3027.jpg

westman995
01-17-2009, 12:47 AM
So, can i use the plug wires from the 440 CDI? They are way longer, and would help alot with getting the cdi mounted, i could mount it on the same plate and place the 440 CDI was. I checked the 700 cdi and it looks like the wires are glued into it?

SnowAttitude
01-17-2009, 07:54 AM
looking Good

I will be in Ormsby today for a vintage ride.
If they run, seem like the sleds are homebodys. run great at home, dont want to run away from home. LOL

Damn wind, will we ever just have a nice winter day??? 40 above, then _40 not 30 mph winds. GEEEEEZZZzz


Well have fun.

westman995
01-17-2009, 12:04 PM
Wish i had a vintage sled, but even if i did i prolly wouldnt be going on the ride, Its so fuckin windy its crazy. Our power was off this morning it was so bad i guess.

Still might get some more work done on the sled and test in the yard tho.

westman995
01-17-2009, 04:57 PM
Ok i took it out and tested it in the yard, no hood and no seat.. Holy hell this thing feels so light, its either cuz no hood and seat, or the power of the engine is just crazy.

But, its bogging on low end again. I had no air box and no filters on the carbs, sicne i dont have any. Dont think i can fit the air box on. Is it gona bog cuz nothing is on it? When it doesnt bog, it pulls the skis no problem. It bogs bad on low end, but after that it lifts the skis nice. I can already tell im gona love this thing. I also notice the engine seems like it moves quite a bit, is that normal for it to move a bit when its revving up? I dono i only looked at it when it was on the stand, i couldnt pay attention and ride at the same time.

Polaris_800rmk
01-17-2009, 05:14 PM
You have the torque stop on?

westman995
01-17-2009, 05:17 PM
Yes i do. It seems to move like side to side sort of i dono.. It almost seems like thats gona be normal, but im not positive.

westman995
01-17-2009, 07:23 PM
So anyone got any ideas on bogging? Is it cuz there is no air box?

I do have the 440 secondary in it, and its got the 440 parts in it. I suppose it could be bogging from that, but it sounds like the carbs, i dono.. Once its in mid range, it fuckin flies. I really think its got to do with carbs or something, and not the clutching. But possibly.

westman995
01-17-2009, 07:45 PM
Here is a new video, sorry it sucks once again bad lighting, there is no lights on top of where my sled is parked. Its just idling again, you can hear the bog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoaspfOtUk0&feature=channel_page

westman995
01-17-2009, 10:19 PM
Here are some pics of after i tested it out. Might get a video tomorrow (with light) I really need to get an air box or filters on this thing. Im gona try and get the 440 air box on there and see if it works ok.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%203/100_3041.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%203/100_3042.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%203/100_3039.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%203/100_3040.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%203/100_3038.jpg

Powersledder
01-17-2009, 10:59 PM
If the 440 airbox is similar in style to the XC's then cut out where you need the new holes to be and then make a plate to cover the front side of the airbox(covering the old and new hole locations) then cut out the new holes. Also make sure you seal the area around the plate with some sort of epoxy or glue.

westman995
01-17-2009, 11:21 PM
Actually the 440 air box could possibly fit around the carbs with the stock holes in it. I dont remember how, but i had the air box actually in there and on the carbs with stock 440 air box boots. The thing is i had to put the air box onto the carbs before putting the carbs on the engine, cuz its too hard to fit them on, just a little off on alignment and tight cuz they were for smaller carbs. But today i tried it, and it didnt seem to fit. I prolly did that before i had the engine bolted in and in the place where i needed it. Will post pics tomorrow if i can make the air box work.

westman995
01-18-2009, 05:33 PM
So ya i put the 440 air box on, then it started spraying gas out of one of the vent lines, I took it off and it kept doing it. Took the carbs apart, and just put it back together and it stopped. I didnt try the air box again. I rode it very very short with the air box, i think i had the air screws in too far tho. It seemed better, but it was awfully smokey, so i dono what that means. Should i try the air box again, its a fuckin bitch to get in there. I gotta move the gas tank back and the dash thing too.

westman995
01-18-2009, 05:36 PM
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%203/100_3047.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%203/100_3048.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%203/100_3049.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%203/100_3050.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%203/100_3051.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%203/100_3052.jpg

Madcow
01-18-2009, 05:41 PM
how did it feel driving it around?

westman995
01-18-2009, 05:47 PM
Once it got off its low end bog, it fuckin flies and pulls the skis. No idea on any RPMs or MPH since i got no hood. But the low end bog sucks, it doesnt take off very good. But really once its going, it lifts the skis awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6luzYGVgQ&feature=channel

westman995
01-18-2009, 06:07 PM
Here is a video, the video doesnt look as cool as it felt haha. The video almost seems like its slow, you can see the skis lift off the ground once its going tho. Sounds kinda quiet in the video too, but it sounds pretty loud in person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d878vFa86I&feature=channel_page

SnowAttitude
01-18-2009, 06:27 PM
Theres no coolent in your tank, will there be enough cooling system to keep engine cool?

Looking goood

westman995
01-18-2009, 07:05 PM
There is coolant in it, its just low. I added some last time and it filled up. It might be letting air pockets out or something. I dont believe anything to be leaking.

Im not positive if its gona be good enough cooling, you can see my rear cooler in the pics kinda. It seems kinda long, it might be enough. The stock 700 coolers were just cooling strips, those dont seem like much. So im gona guess it will be fine.

westman995
01-18-2009, 10:31 PM
So i just remembered this kid is builidng a bad ass drag sled out of a zx race sled, with an 800 mod motor with twin pipes and all. The pipes on that thing cant be too much different than the SLPs, as far as size. They gotta be pretty similar in diameter atleast. And i see he had the hood sitting on it and it looked to fit. So this gives me a little hope of them fitting, we will see. Tomorrow i should have the pipes and can see for sure!

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Powersledder
01-18-2009, 10:33 PM
Thats a doo engine in a doo chassis, with pipes made to fit it.....

You're not gonna get your hood to fit unless you have someone, like madcow, fit the pipes to your chassis.

westman995
01-18-2009, 10:35 PM
Damn, nevermind just came across these pics. The hood is cut out for the pipe. I hope i am lucky enough to have to only cut out that much of the hood at max, i dont want much of a hole in there. I guess im gona have to worry about snow getting in the engine bay with the hole now? Or not? I mean the hood does have like screens, so snow can get in anyways.

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westman995
01-18-2009, 10:36 PM
Thats a doo engine in a doo chassis, with pipes made to fit it.....

You're not gonna get your hood to fit unless you have someone, like madcow, fit the pipes to your chassis.

Do you actually know that those pipes were made to fit in it? I know the SLPs arent gona be the same, but im hoping its similar so i can get something worked out.

Powersledder
01-18-2009, 10:44 PM
Well i'm pretty sure that when SLP specifies which sled models their pipes fit......they're not made to fit other sleds. Plus the SLP's fit pretty close to the same as a stock pipe.

westman995
01-18-2009, 10:50 PM
Well i'm pretty sure that when SLP specifies which sled models their pipes fit......they're not made to fit other sleds. Plus the SLP's fit pretty close to the same as a stock pipe.

Well ya i know they arent made to fit other sleds, and obviously never made to swap between a 98 xc and a 99 mxzx haha.. But the SLP twins are a bit smaller in diamter, which should help tons alone. We will see for sure tomorrow tho.

It doenst look like those pipes were modified to fit in there either, maybe they were off a zx, but would a company make pipes to fit in a zx where it requires cutting a hole in the hood?

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Powersledder
01-18-2009, 10:51 PM
Individually they are smaller in diameter than stock, but as a unit they are bigger.

westman995
01-18-2009, 10:57 PM
Ya definitely wider, im thinking, and sure as hell hoping i have the room to fit the width of them tho. Fuck, i am so excited to get them in the mail and check fitment!!

westman995
01-19-2009, 12:43 AM
So lets say im gona end up with filters on it, which i am more than likely going to. What will that do to my jetting? Does that lean it out? So im guesing the jetting that SLP says isnt gona work too great for me now. Cuz it does say with stock air box.

OCR
01-19-2009, 01:57 AM
Might need at least 2 sizes larger with pods.

westman995
01-19-2009, 11:48 AM
On main or pilots or both? What is needed for pods?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yifZBxfk5Y&feature=channel_page

MX86
01-19-2009, 01:44 PM
it almost sounds like the pilots are too lean.

Rubi
01-19-2009, 01:45 PM
^^ I concur.

westman995
01-19-2009, 01:54 PM
Im gona say thats the problem then, cuz it doesnt seem to be too rich on the plugs. Must be cuz i have no air box then.

MX86
01-19-2009, 02:03 PM
^^ I concur.


Reason i say that is it's not burping on the bottom end. but more like it's starving for fuel.

westman995
01-19-2009, 07:33 PM
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/Twin%20pipes/100_3102.jpg

westman995
01-19-2009, 07:35 PM
Well there they are, and no they do not fit under the hood. And i am not suprised one bit. They do look like they should work out for me. Im hoping to get away with hood mods instead of modifying the pipes themselves.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/Twin%20pipes/100_3105.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/Twin%20pipes/100_3106.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/Twin%20pipes/100_3107.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/Twin%20pipes/100_3109.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/Twin%20pipes/100_3108.jpg

Polaris_800rmk
01-19-2009, 07:35 PM
How do they fit?

EDIT: Nevermind, you beat me to it.

Powersledder
01-19-2009, 07:42 PM
You need to send those pipes up to Greasemonkey for sandblasting and paint next summer.

westman995
01-19-2009, 07:42 PM
How do they fit?

EDIT: Nevermind, you beat me to it.

Yep, not great. But fairly decent id say. I think its doable. Looks way better than that stocker pipe huh? The mag side pipe, will that get hot enough to melt the plastic belly pan even if it has heat tape on it? Im guessing so, its pretty close. How about a piece of aluminum under the pipe to protect the plastic?

westman995
01-19-2009, 07:43 PM
You need to send those pipes up to Greasemonkey for sandblasting and paint next summer.

If i do make them work, i might get them all prettied up haha.. Would look nice.

westman995
01-19-2009, 07:54 PM
Madcow, or anyone that knows for sure: So i know i cant add or take away from the pipes, but can i modify the lengths of the can inlets? It looks like i might need to move those, so the pipes can sit lower, for more clearance.

And how much does putting a dent in the pipes fuck with the performance of them?

westman995
01-19-2009, 08:15 PM
Here is without the can on it. It allows the pipes to sit lower in the chassis, which gives me tons more clearance. So i need to figure out how to get the can inlets lower. It should help tons.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/Twin%20pipes/100_3112.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/Twin%20pipes/100_3113.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/Twin%20pipes/100_3116.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/Twin%20pipes/100_3117.jpg

westman995
01-19-2009, 09:05 PM
Pics of the hood sitting on it WITHOUT the can in there, so thats about as good as im gona get i think.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/Twin%20pipes/100_3119.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/Twin%20pipes/100_3120.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/Twin%20pipes/100_3123.jpg

EDIT: Damn, well that looks way farther off than i thought. Gona be quite a hole in the hood it looks like haha. Maybe i can run a beater hood for the rest of the season, and get the pipes cut and welded to fit better in the off-season.

Vertical_Escape
01-19-2009, 10:00 PM
Think about building yourself a mesh hood to clear it.

Madcow
01-19-2009, 10:21 PM
you can modify the stingers to get the pipes lower if need be.

westman995
01-19-2009, 10:34 PM
No stingers, it has the one piece can. But can i modify the inlets on it?

How, or where do i get thet stuff for a mesh hood? Someone said a lexan hood, i check brtech website, but thats way more than i can spend on a hood. That would cost more than ive spent on the engine swap.

Vertical_Escape
01-19-2009, 11:34 PM
Home Depot carries a "Pet-Proof" type of mesh. Pretty heavy duty stuff. I just bought a roll 48" x 96" for less than $20 to use for venting. Oh and it will take paint too. The framework could probably been done with some Aluminum strap. I may try to build one later in season.

westman995
01-19-2009, 11:40 PM
Home Depot carries a "Pet-Proof" type of mesh. Pretty heavy duty stuff. I just bought a roll 48" x 96" for less than $20 to use for venting. Oh and it will take paint too. The framework could probably been done with some Aluminum strap. I may try to build one later in season.

If you do, make sure you get some pics. I wana see this.

OCR
01-20-2009, 09:13 AM
Shorten the outlet side of the silencer so it sits lots lower instead, then add a layer of heat reflector under it.

Rubi
01-20-2009, 10:50 AM
Get somebody's broken hood for 10 bucks.
Saw out a great big hole for the pipe.
Bridge the hole with some kind of support brace to give yourself 2" of clearance.
Cover the hole with fiberglass screen.
Commence kicking ass.

westman995
01-20-2009, 04:29 PM
I dont think i can shorten the outlet side, as i can see the parts of the silencer right on the end.

Actually, im planning to pick up a junk hood for 10 bucks soon. Its pretty bad as he described it, so i dono if ill keep it cuz its been cracked a bunch and has plates riveted on, spray painted and peeling haha..

Polaris_800rmk
01-23-2009, 05:22 PM
Whats up Westman? The project bog down?

westman995
01-23-2009, 09:39 PM
Whats up Westman? The project bog down?

Kinda ya, Shit isnt going so well for me, mostly stuff to do with the project but everything is pissing me off.

I did just go get that beater hood, and ya its a beater hood alright haha. Looks like shit, i already cut huge ass holes in it, i hope it works, and when i say huge i mean HUGE holes haha.. My plan is to get like some mesh type screen, obviously like what they make mesh hoods out of, and put that stuff over the huge holes for the pipes, use like some small aluminum rods, or flat pieces or something, to curve it up and around the pipe so it doesnt melt and what not. I think i can just chop off part of the bottom of the can outlet, it should work fine and give the right height.

O ya i was expecting some jets today, they didnt come. I am hoping tomorrow they are here.

While basically dismantling that hood, i accidently cut the little strap things off one of the pipes, and only to find a little hole in the pipe, GREAT.

And another thing, i missed the fuckin auction for the filters i was going to buy, pretty sure i would have won them, they only sold for like 36 shipped, and were new. That really pissed me off.

So ya, not looking too great right now. :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

Polaris_800rmk
01-23-2009, 09:42 PM
Keep your spirits up, you have accomplished a quite a bit already.

westman995
01-23-2009, 09:46 PM
Keep your spirits up, you have accomplished a quite a bit already.


I have, but im running out of patience on this thing. Im not sure what to do anymore on it. I do not have the knowledge or skills to do the shit i need to do to pull the rest of this thing off i dont think. I might have the tools to mod the can, but i cant do it myself, i cant weld for shit. So i guess i can maybe go bring it and pay someone to do it.

Im prolly gona have to end up paying a shit load for some new filters, the ones i lost were on ebay and new with outerwears, sold for 36 shipped! I cant believe i missed that!

Well, i guess what do you think of the hood idea, and can mod idea? Or any other input on this thrown together shit for a project haha..

Polaris_800rmk
01-23-2009, 09:53 PM
Well, here is the deal, who cares what this thing looks like. I have a feeling this is probably not the last project you will be involved in. What you are doing right now is gaining a ton of knowledge. You already know more than most riders out there.... can we say next Madcow? Do what you can with what you got and don't be discouraged by set backs, they happen to everyone.

the_hog
01-23-2009, 09:55 PM
Don't worry I get frustrated with my sled all the time. What I do is step away for a bit, whether it be a few hours or a few days, then when you are ready to come back you are enthusiastic and ready to keep on working.

This approach may also by why I am pretty slow on my project but it keeps me loving doing it.

westman995
01-23-2009, 10:05 PM
Thanks guys, I know it would be better if i stepped away and just forgot about it for a few days, but its hard to do, seeing as how there isnt that much winter left i want to ride the stupid thing, so im trying to get it done.

I know some people dont care what it looks like, and im sure some will say damn that looks like shit.. haha

Well here are some pics of what i did, i mostly used a tin snip to cut it up. I think if i scraped all the shitty paint off it, and got a better coat of black on it, and did the mesh cover thing it would look pretty decent. I dont want it yellow and then black mesh part, i think it would look shitty. But, looks is not the most important thing right now which is why it looks like total shit with that hood right now, or i wouldnt have bought that hood.

Well, I am sure hoping that tomorrow is a better day, i know the weather wont be good so thats pretty gay. If i get my jets tomorrow, i might be ok haha. The big set back is i have no damn air filters, and dono where to get any now. If anyone sees any for a good price let me know. Maybe i can chop the end of the can off and make that part work, get that done and out of the way. I dono we will see what i can get done tomorrow. If i do get anything done ill post some pics.

O here are the pics of my hood........
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Dirty_Harry
01-24-2009, 10:41 AM
Aint that purty.

You sandblast that pipe black and it will look fine. Paint the hood too lol.

MX86
01-24-2009, 10:51 AM
mesh screen those holes, and she'll be good

westman995
01-24-2009, 02:13 PM
Yep, scrape that flaking paint off, throw some fresh paint on it, hopefully it holds on good like my hood, mesh those holes and raise it to clear the pipe, will look atleast decent.

Got some jets today, only some of them cuz i ordered a couple online and some from a guy. I put 210s in it. Then i raised the needle one position. It still bogs. im gona raise it again i think.

Other than the bog, holy fuck this thing is fast! It will lift the skis sitting down haha

Dirty_Harry
01-24-2009, 02:27 PM
PFFFT, I did that in the XLT LOL!

westman995
01-24-2009, 02:53 PM
PFFFT, I did that in the XLT LOL!

And for how long?? Haha.. Shit, mine still has 440 clutching in the secondary! You have no idea what this thing will do once im done with it haha..

Harry, i wouldnt think twice about putting my sled up against your big bad triple :D haha

Dirty_Harry
01-24-2009, 03:02 PM
Good! My XLT would do it for long at all, but I could sitting down lol.

westman995
01-24-2009, 03:07 PM
Good! My XLT would do it for long at all, but I could sitting down lol.

Did you mean for NOT long at all? haha..

Haha im just talking shit mostly, but i really think this sled is going to be insane fast when its set up right. Its still got stock clutching the primary, and stock 440 skidoo clutching in the secondary, Still need my pilot jets to ee if that helps on low end bog, and some air filters would prolly help. Its kinda thrown together right now with not having all the shit i need like i said.

Right now im pretty happy with it, i would be even happier if my pilot jets would have came today. And if id have not forgotten about those filters on ebay.

Ill try and get a video up here in a bit, if i can get a good one.

westman995
01-24-2009, 03:23 PM
Here are some pics of the sled.. Still no hood, due to i have to chop the can up so the pipes sit lower down, then im hoping it will be fine. And ya not good news that tiny little hole in the exhaust pipe, well its getting bigger. So i guess i need that welded up? It should be fine if i get it welded or what?

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/westman995/1999%20Ski%20doo%20mxzx%20700%20liberty%20project/New%20Folder%204/100_3151.jpg
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Rubi
01-24-2009, 03:30 PM
Make a custom airbox. Make a wire frame that fits in the spot, and then wrap it with fiberglass cloth. Slop some resin on there, add the plate with the boots, voila!

Wait, even better would be to take the 700's airbox and just modify it. Saw out the areas that have clearance issues, and reseal it.

westman995
01-24-2009, 03:33 PM
I actually had that thought about cutting up the 700 air box, i think it would be easier to just take the 440 air box, and get some tubes or something for boots from the carbs to the air box, the 440 boots are a little too long so i cant get the air box in and out without doing TONS of work. Ill see if i can find anything to make it work, the air box will be gutted tho, cuz pretty sure the 440 air box with the stuff in it doesnt allow enough air flow. The holes in there were tiny on the baffles.

Dirty_Harry
01-24-2009, 03:37 PM
Yeah, that what I meant lol.

Slamdry
01-24-2009, 03:43 PM
why not just run pod filters and save the agrivation???

that hle will weld up fine. may want to try like muffler mender for a temperary fix ot clamp a beer can around it for temperary purposes until you get it welded.

westman995
01-24-2009, 03:43 PM
Heres a vid, sorry it seems kinda shakey in some parts. Almost seems like the camera is messed up cuz i dont think i was shaking like that haha.. Its just an idle video, i dont have anyone to take a test run video right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9lx7b4Bljo

westman995
01-24-2009, 03:45 PM
why not just run pod filters and save the agrivation???

I was gona buy some, with prefilter things but forgot about the damn auction and missed them, if you read back a couple posts you will see. Otherwise that was my plan, now im gona see if i can just get the air box fitted on it so i dont have buy filters, save me 40-50 bucks if i can do the air box instead. Plus if i wanted outerwears or prefilters for the pods thats even more.

westman995
01-24-2009, 03:47 PM
why not just run pod filters and save the agrivation???

that hle will weld up fine. may want to try like muffler mender for a temperary fix ot clamp a beer can around it for temperary purposes until you get it welded.

Ya thats exactly what was thinking, just clamp something around it for now atleast. We have a welded but i cant weld like i said before. Can i weld it with a stick welder ( i know nothing about welding, i think its called a stick welder haha)

Slamdry
01-24-2009, 03:50 PM
I was gona buy some, with prefilter things but forgot about the damn auction and missed them, if you read back a couple posts you will see. Otherwise that was my plan, now im gona see if i can just get the air box fitted on it so i dont have buy filters, save me 40-50 bucks if i can do the air box instead. Plus if i wanted outerwears or prefilters for the pods thats even more.

uni makes a specific pod for sleds, water repellant and they are cheaper then k&N and if i remember correct you dont need a prefilter with them. cehck it out.

westman995
01-24-2009, 03:54 PM
Really? I didnt know that, but the ones i was getting with the outwears were unis, i found some more unis on ebay, the damn bid is already up to like 35 i think, and new they are like 22 a piece i believe.

Slamdry
01-24-2009, 03:58 PM
i just did a quick search, thay do have all different sizes and angles.

http://www.powersportsnetwork.com/accessoriesdetail/product=570515/levelcode=30106/catalog=3669/Parts+Unlimited+Snow/UNI+SNOWMOBILE+POD+FILTERS/accessories570515.htm

westman995
01-24-2009, 04:08 PM
Ya i think the ones on ebay now are too big for my carbs. Plus it might be cheaper to get new ones, and the right ones. I think ill get the angled ones, thats if i do get filters.

westman995
01-24-2009, 05:41 PM
Heres some test riding with the SLP twins!! I have no idea what happened to my camera, but its fucked up. As you can see its all shakey, and when it gets by the sunlight it turns green/purple?????? What the fuck! Looks like i need a new camera now, great. So, the video kinda sucks, But atleast you can still see some lifting the skis haha. I think the sound is also delayed too, not sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0J2mNQPcWI&feature=channel_page

TeamYardsale
01-24-2009, 08:41 PM
http://unclehenrys.com/CLASSIFIEDS/Search/ExhibitDetail.aspx?ExhibitID=-2135485535&ishistoricsearch=N&ReturnPage=%2fClassifieds%2fSearch%2fResults.aspx% 3fSearchID%3d40239036%26SearchResultIndex%3d15%26i shistoricsearch%3dN%23


Looks good westman, cant wait to see it done!

westman995
01-25-2009, 12:37 AM
I hope its done soon!

Well, im planning to order some parts from hiperf.com I wana order some UNI filters, filter oil, and a clutch spring. 75 fuckin bucks shipped just for those parts! I guess its not alot, but it is when you got other crap to buy yet.

So, im just wondering on clutching. SLP says a polaris almond/gold spring with 10-62 weights, what will that do for me?

I want it clutched so i can pull the skis off and ride it like that, but with decent top end, nothing crazy top end. I have 23/44 gearing i think it was?

Id like to figure out what clutch spring im gona buy, cuz im gona order the stuff tomorrow. Ill buy the weights somewhere else, should i use the 10-62 weights, or what do you guys think? If i can get some insight on this stuff as soon as possible would be great so i can order it all tomorrow and should be shipped monday, so i can get the stuff as soon as i can.

OCR
01-25-2009, 04:39 AM
Slap some JB Weld on that hole and cover it with a tin can patch clamped in place for a good temp fix.

TeamYardsale
01-25-2009, 09:51 AM
Westy I believe that link I sent you is running pods, Check him out. For weights post an add on HCS or Snowest. Gen2 On HCS hooked me up wth brand new weights (60g) for 25 bucks.

westman995
01-25-2009, 10:35 AM
I emailed him about the filters, he said he put them on his f7.

Thatd be cool if i had some jbweld, i think i might.

Vertical_Escape
01-25-2009, 11:19 AM
Set that Ebay account up to alert you and then pay attention. Also set a max bid close to what you would go to if you have too.

Keep your head up, pretty involved project you've got going there. You're bound to hit a few snags.

SnowAttitude
01-25-2009, 04:29 PM
about your hood.

I think after you make sure you have plenty of room for you exhaust, I would make a mold then use some fiberglass to redo hood.

Its a crap hood anywase, learn to use FG to make it look better, keep steam from coming off of it. I have used FG on old hoods kind of easy to use, pretty cheap. kind of a sticky mess, need plastic gloves of something.

might take a little longer, but wont look like poop

westman995
01-25-2009, 04:49 PM
Set that Ebay account up to alert you and then pay attention. Also set a max bid close to what you would go to if you have too.

Keep your head up, pretty involved project you've got going there. You're bound to hit a few snags.

I cant seem to find any alerts, like for my IM or phone alerts? I put the stuff on my watch list, but the emails come like too many hours before it even ends.


about your hood.

I think after you make sure you have plenty of room for you exhaust, I would make a mold then use some fiberglass to redo hood.

Its a crap hood anywase, learn to use FG to make it look better, keep steam from coming off of it. I have used FG on old hoods kind of easy to use, pretty cheap. kind of a sticky mess, need plastic gloves of something.

might take a little longer, but wont look like poop

Might do that, but it definitly wont be this winter. I dont care, there isnt that much season left here, is there? I just want to get the thing off my yard and see what i can really do.

westman995
01-25-2009, 06:04 PM
Well, i mean they make full hoods out of mesh, and they are mostly for mountain sleds, so i would assume that the snow isnt really gona go through the mesh part, as long as i get the right stuff.

Anyone got ideas on clutching? If not i guess ill just get the almond/gold that SLP says for the twin pipes.

Madcow
01-25-2009, 06:06 PM
for starters i would go with slp clutching, dont add gremlins to the project.

westman995
01-25-2009, 06:15 PM
Ok ill go with that SLP spring, i hope it works fine, im sure it will. Since its basically the complete set up out of the 98 xc, just in a different chassis, same length track and all that, so it should be fairly similar, just my gearing might be different.

westman995
01-25-2009, 07:56 PM
Well just ordered some UNI filters, filter oil, and a clutch spring! Getting weights from madcow it sounds like. I hope i get all these parts in soon!

westman995
01-25-2009, 09:34 PM
Well so far this project has actually been fairly cheap for a build i think.. Anyone else agree?

SLP twins - $105
Hiperf order - Filters, filter oil, clutch spring - $75
Weights - $25
Motor mount weld - $10

So far, thats only $215. Sounds decent for what ive done so far, or no? Im sure there will be a bit more to come. Those prices are with shipping. Ill update the total cost as i buy more shit for it.

Polaris_800rmk
01-25-2009, 09:55 PM
Yes, it has been a bargain build.

westman995
01-25-2009, 10:10 PM
Kinda seems like alot of money, when you spend 75 bucks on two filters and a damn spring tho, haha.. O well, it will be WELL worth it if i can get to ride it this year.

I checked the plugs, i think they might be lean, i cant really tell if they are getting white/greyish or not haha.. Im not gona run it anymore til i get my bigger jets and filters on it tho.

Madcow
01-25-2009, 10:16 PM
look at the plugs closely, if you see specs on the white cone or around the bottom of the threads its detonation.

westman995
01-25-2009, 10:18 PM
Will do that tomorrow, what exactly causes detonation?

Polaris1man
01-26-2009, 07:11 AM
Damn kids, get more days off school than actual attendance days!!

SnowAttitude
01-26-2009, 07:19 AM
^^^^^why cant johnny learn, oohhhh the teachers need another vacation, you know working 6 months a year is hard on a person, we need more money, do it for the children. LOL

Dont worry, no snow in the forecast for another week at least.

OCR
01-26-2009, 08:26 AM
What exactly causes detonation?

Detonation is from the lean condition in the cylinder. The dome of the piston heats up unevenly and starts exploding pieces off the top until it burns a hole through completely.

westman995
01-26-2009, 08:39 AM
Damn kids, get more days off school than actual attendance days!!

Huh? That one week where it was bad, we either had the day off or two hours late the whole week haha. But i have school today..

Detonation is from the lean condition in the cylinder. The dome of the piston heats up unevenly and starts exploding pieces off the top until it burns a hole through completely.

Holy shit, ya im not running it anymore due to afraid of that happening, That is until i get my bigger jets i mean.

So, leaning it out makes it faster, but can leaning it out too much make it slower? I doubt it but just wondering.

OCR
01-26-2009, 08:42 AM
Leaning it out too much can make it dead.
Would that be slow enough for ya?

crdude
01-26-2009, 08:43 AM
Will do that tomorrow, what exactly causes detonation?




As OCR mensioned running lean could cause detonation, but dont forget it could be timing being to advanced, to low of octain fuel and over heating. all of these could cause detonation.

running to lean, it will run like a raped up untell she pops! your plugs should have a nice brown color to them.

westman995
01-26-2009, 08:54 AM
Leaning it out too much can make it dead.
Would that be slow enough for ya?

Yep, too slow for me! haha.. Well i was just wondering if you leaned it out too much if it would be slower than when set right.

As OCR mensioned running lean could cause detonation, but dont forget it could be timing being to advanced, to low of octain fuel and over heating. all of these could cause detonation.

running to lean, it will run like a raped up untell she pops! your plugs should have a nice brown color to them.

Ya they definitly arent brown when i checked yesterday, i cant really tell if they are getting white or what really, Its hard to see. But ill look again later today.

I guess i should change the timing for the pipes.. Except im not really sure how, madcow told me what to do but im still not sure what im supposed to do haha im not good with that shit. Dont think its overheating, well maybe with it being too lean, but the engine never seemed real hot, nor did the heat exchangers. Im gona get some premium (92 octane) to run it instead, cuz pretty sure i put regular in it.. Prolly start putting premium in it from now on.

crdude
01-26-2009, 09:12 AM
Let us know how the plugs look. and if you have enough light in your work area look at your piston wash, it gives a good reading on how your jetting is.