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Senate Republicans' ban on earmarks was short-lived One Senate GOP leader reaps $200 million for his state
By ANDREW TAYLOR The Associated Press 11/23/2010 6:29:15 PM ET WASHINGTON — Senate Republicans' ban on earmarks — money included in a bill by a lawmaker to benefit a home-state project or interest — was short-lived.

Only three days after GOP senators and senators-elect renounced earmarks, Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl, the No. 2 Senate Republican, got himself a whopping $200 million to settle an Arizona Indian tribe's water rights claim against the government.

Kyl slipped the measure into a larger bill sought by President Barack Obama and passed by the Senate on Friday to settle claims by black farmers and American Indians against the federal government. Kyl's office insists the measure is not an earmark, and the House didn't deem it one when it considered a version earlier this year.
But it meets the know-it-when-you-see-it test, critics say. Under Senate rules, an earmark is a spending item inserted "primarily at the request of a senator" that goes "to an entity, or (is) targeted to a specific state."
Earmarking allows lawmakers to steer federal spending to pet projects in their states and districts. Earmarks take many forms, including road projects, improvements to home district military bases, sewer projects, economic development projects. A key trait is that they are projects that haven't been sought by the administration in power.

The money for the 15,000-member White Mountain Apache Tribe was one of four tribal water rights claims totaling almost $570 million that was added to the $5 billion-plus bill. Black farmers will get about $1.2 billion to settle claims that the Agriculture Department's local offices discriminated against them in awarding loans and other aid. Another $3.4 billion goes to American Indians who say the Interior Department swindled them out of oil, gas and other royalties.

The House still has to act on the total package, and likely will after Congress reconvenes Nov. 29 for the continuation of a postelection, lame duck session.

Sens. Max Baucus, D-Mont., and Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M., also got in on the bargain, adding measures benefiting their states to the black farmers-tribal royalty settlements. The two senators obtained almost $370 million for projects in their states to implement water settlements.

Baucus and Bingaman make no bones about their support for earmarks, but Kyl is a recent convert to the anti-earmark crusade of home state GOP colleague Sen. John McCain, who's railed against them for years. The Interior Department sought only $46 million for Indian land and water claims in Obama's proposed budget for this year and no money for Kyle's project, or those wanted by Baucus and Bingaman.

The $200 million in Kyl's measure would be used to construct and maintain a drinking water project on the Fort Apache Indian Reservation, including a dam, reservoir, treatment plant and delivery pipelines.

The water system is settlement compensation for numerous abuses by the federal government, which included clearing trees and other vegetation from thousands of acres of tribal lands in order to increase runoff into the Salt River, a source of water for the cities of Phoenix, Scottsdale, Tempe, Mesa and other communities. The tribe also would waive a half-dozen other claims against the government.

A top Democrat scornfully pointed out that the project is going to a state whose GOP lawmakers claim to oppose earmarks.

"I do know an earmark when I see it. And this, my friends, is an earmark," Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., said in a prepared floor statement. He said Kyl's project would help the White Mountain Apaches "make snow at their ski resort, improve water flow to their casino and build fish hatcheries to improve local fish production."

Those projects don't appear to be directly funded by the bill, though the measure's wording is confusing.

There's no question, however, that the measure is vitally important to Arizona, where water is a scarce and precious resource.

"It addresses a fundamental need on the White Mountain Apache Reservation and provides certainty to the tribe, to Phoenix and to other water users" in the area, Michael Conner, commissioner of the Bureau of Reclamation, said in an interview.

Conner is a former top aide to Bingaman, who obtained $148 million to implement water rights claims of the Taos Pueblo, along with those of several other New Mexico tribes.

Kyl's office declined a request for an interview with the senator.

The costs of the water claims settlements will be offset by cuts to other government programs, including $562 million in overbudgeted 2010 funding for the federal nutrition program for women, infants and children. Either way, the government is on the hook to settle the water claims or risk larger losses in court.

"You have to do these water settlements or allow the courts to simply award damages," said Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., perhaps the most anti-earmark member of Congress. "An earmark is something when an individual gets a goodie for their district outside of the regular legislative process."

Typically, Congress "authorizes" big water projects in policy-setting bills that promise funding in future legislation. Kyl's measure started out that way but it morphed behind closed doors into a bill that actually provides the money.

The bill, passed unanimously on a voice vote Friday after most senators had left Washington for the week, vaults his, Baucus' and Bingaman's projects to the front of the line instead of having to compete with other projects for limited Interior Department funds.


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"Only three days after GOP senators and senators-elect renounced earmarks, Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl, the No. 2 Senate Republican, got himself a whopping $200 million to settle an Arizona Indian tribe's water rights claim against the government"

dont have much background on this but how would a claim against the feds be an earmark? sounded more like a legal matter that got paid off instead of going to court?

we will see what this new guy does that took over oberstars seat. i have things i watch for, if he fits in that guideline i will vote for him, if not i will vote for another new guy.

if he brought home an earmark that helped the state bring in alot of good business then i guess i wouldnt complain, if he brings home an ear mark that helps one town out or build a green campground in the middle of nowhere.
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"Only three days after GOP senators and senators-elect renounced earmarks, Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl, the No. 2 Senate Republican, got himself a whopping $200 million to settle an Arizona Indian tribe's water rights claim against the government"

dont have much background on this but how would a claim against the feds be an earmark? sounded more like a legal matter that got paid off instead of going to court?

we will see what this new guy does that took over oberstars seat. i have things i watch for, if he fits in that guideline i will vote for him, if not i will vote for another new guy.

if he brought home an earmark that helped the state bring in alot of good business then i guess i wouldnt complain, if he brings home an ear mark that helps one town out or build a green campground in the middle of nowhere.

Kyl is a hypocrite to be joined by many other Republicans soon. If this is such a noble cause, it should be debated and voted on on its own merits, not secretly slipped into a bill. That's what Republicans have been telling us should be the process....that is until it's their pet project.
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I get ya. i agree with that point as well. that is why the goverment is in so much trouble. or better yet we are in trouble. i understand that i am not as fun at this as ultra. ha!

just think how good life would be for a while, go to buy a new pickup, get the loan approved then tack on another 12 grand for a new sled. but its on the tail end so your monthly payments are the same. sell sled a couple years later for cash, dont apply it to the loan, spend it, and then borrow money again for the replacement sled.
seems like a wonderfull way to run a house!
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So let me get this right: Kyl got money to settle a claim against the Federal Government brought by an Indian tribe in his State. This money was in a bill that was passed to settle claims against the Federal Government brought by Blacks and Indian Tribes.

Holy fuck!

Everyone knows that any money in a bill passed under the Obama administration is ONLY to be used to pay for votes on Obamacare, Cap and Trade, or the Dream Act (eupemistic term for illegal alien amnesty.) God forbid a Republican gets money for his State that pays for something that entirely falls within the intent of the bill!
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So let me get this right: Kyl got money to settle a claim against the Federal Government brought by an Indian tribe in his State. This money was in a bill that was passed to settle claims against the Federal Government brought by Blacks and Indian Tribes.

Holy fuck!

Everyone knows that any money in a bill passed under the Obama administration is ONLY to be used to pay for votes on Obamacare, Cap and Trade, or the Dream Act (eupemistic term for illegal alien amnesty.) God forbid a Republican gets money for his State that pays for something that entirely falls within the intent of the bill!
Did you get a huge wind in your hair when you missed the point?

Is It a fucking earmark or not?

Did the repubs state no more earmarks?

Leave it to you to give it a pass!

By the way you are owned......your precious repubs are just typical politicians that are self serving assholes and you cant or wont admit it.
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If our new definition of an earmark is any money from the Federal Government that goes to a State, that's fine. My bet is the majority of the money in that bill goes to pay for specific grievances from certain Indian Tribes or Black farmers. They are all from certain States, unless it all goes to Indians or Blacks from Washington D.C.
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If our new definition of an earmark is any money from the Federal Government that goes to a State, that's fine. My bet is the majority of the money in that bill goes to pay for specific grievances from certain Indian Tribes or Black farmers. They are all from certain States, unless it all goes to Indians or Blacks from Washington D.C.

Hypocrisy. Yet some will defend it, call it by a different name, or even say "it was for a good cause" or we're "paying our debts". Nevertheless, it is an earmark. How could you forget? Republicans are not going to do any earmarks. 3 days later they do an earmark. Hypocrisy. Get it?


look up the definition of an earmark Rubi...it hasnt changed.
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"Kyl's office insists the measure is not an earmark, and the House didn't deem it one when it considered a version earlier this year."
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Well if Kyl's office says it wasnt an earmark! hell,politicains wouldnt lie or bend the truth.

It was spending slipped in a larger bill and asked for by one senator for his or her state. EARMARK!
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The House didn't deem it an earmark, but if a liberal blogger does, then THAT is the gospel truth.
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The House didn't deem it an earmark, but if a liberal blogger does, then THAT is the gospel truth.
Holy shit!!!

Blinders today? Or rose colored glasses?

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I know your smarter than this Rubi!
So now that the house is repub controled theres no longer earmarks....got it!
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House isn't GOP controlled until January.
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House isn't GOP controlled until January.


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