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Old 09-08-2010
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Default gears and clutching for my 98 storm

been doing some searching on different peoples opinions on setups and came up with a list and wondering if i can get it narrowed down. before hand, i like to hot trail ride but since im in s.e. wisconsin, sometimes trails arent open so i do alot of open throttle lake running and river running. heads are getting shaved and reeds are getting installed and maybe dropping the main down a few sizes, other than that, its stock

got a new chain last year so dont want to change the number of links. 66 i believe??

ok, here's the list of gears that i ran across from different people.

22/37
23/37
21/38
21/39 - thats the one i hear a lot (i believe that can be used with stock chain size)
22/39
22/40
23/39

whichever one, but has to be used with stock chain size


on to the clutching, what sucks is i like rocking the trails but like last few years, they have been shit so i go on the lake a lot so im trying to get best of both worlds. i have been told to use 62 or 64 weights but have been told more so that 64 are hard to pull so use 62 to keep rpms up but not sure with the mods mentioned above. here it goes

red erlandson primary, silver erlandson secondary, 46/34 or 48/34 helix, or used with polaris blue/orange seconary

hot seat black primary, hot seat purple seconary #2, 50/38 helix

erlandson red primary, hot seat purple secondary, hot seat hsp36s helix

polaris blue primary, grey secondary, 52/36 helix

almond/red primary, grey or silver/blue seconary, 44/36 or 46/36 helix

thanks guys, looking forward to replies, need to start getting stuff together
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This will tell you what gears work and with what chain

http://slednutz.com/showthread.php?t...ght=gear+chart


As far as clutching, maybe Madcow will chime in if he sees this thread
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50-38 or 52-36 helix, and whatever secondary spring works with the weights and primary setup. start with a silver blue in secondary or the closest thing to it that you have. can go a little stiffer or softer but time will tell.

with the heads dropped down you can give it a degree or two of timing, always run premium fuel.

gears 21-39 or 22-40 whatever fits your chain with the least amount of bend in it.

make sure you clean all exhaust joints and silicone them well.

8100-8300 is max rpms but testing will help that. dial in the rpms with wieghts and primary spring.


spend alot of time on traction and weight transfer with good trail manners. if you can upgrade tracks to a hacksaw with studs or a cobra and no studs it will really help alot.
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thanks

i was told heads being shaved 20 to 25 thou works good but im thinking of just getting like 15 to be safe or is there quite a bit of squish are on the storm heads, enough to do 20 and be good..25 i dont know about though.

will it work fine to leave the timing as is? and were you referring to advancing it then?
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yep, advance the timing a degree or two to compliment the heads,
what you take off the heads means nothing, but if you can get to the .065" area on squish that should be safe. possibly a little tighter on a stock motor?

the lower heads and timing will add bottom end power and mid range power more than a peak power thing.
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any of the clutching setups good as listed, dont have the money to play around and get different parts.
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reread posts.
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Anytime I've asked Madcow a clutching question he's answered it the same way lol. Doesn't tell you just get this part, he gives you options. I kinda make a shopping list out of his suggestion lol. If I were you, this is what I would have listened to.....
52-36 helix
silver blue in secondary
gears 22-40 unless you run more trails than lakes, if you run more trails go with 21-39 gears imo
8100-8300 is max rpms but testing will help that. dial in the rpms with wieghts and primary spring
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mud gets it!!

its hard to say exactly what to get because every sled will react just a tiny bit different. that is why i like to give a couple options.

i believe 60-62 gram wieghts with the big helix will work depending on primary spring chosen,
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thanks

well i figure ill do it with 62 gram weights and maybe put a polaris blue spring in there.
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Wow I didn't realize a Storm would only have 62 gram weights. I take it twins pull more weight than triples? I ran 68 grams in the 700 Dragon.
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yea twins run a lot more weight, i will probably run 66-70 gram in the 1000 triple. rpms and power curve of the engines change the amount of weight.
also we are running the good button clutch, to run a team on a storm he could be in the 64-66 gram range.
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Hell, I am only pulling slightly over 56 grams on my cat!!
Stock helix and yellow springs too.
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you get a lot of thought that the amount of wieght you can pull equals how much hp a sled has. rileys prostock 800 runs 45-49 grams, and a 98 xcr 440 pulls 47 grams.
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Yeah, but keep in mind that I also have 4 of them in there.
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well went on wahl racing, mfg supply and something else and ordered some stuff

since i have reeds on and jetting is 410 400 420stock, i ordered two jets down on all three to play with for the reeds and richness.

also ordered 22/40 gears

blue polaris spring

62 g weights

grey seconary spring

was gonna have guy go through and check bearings and seals (5500 mi)and look at the timing for the heads but it ran good last winter so wondering if its worth it even ripping into it and spending money on gaskets and all that now after this bill, what you guys think?

wahl didnt have the 52/36 helix so ill have to call slp or look on ebay or something for it

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go to hot seat, they have good helix's and arent to bad on price. I also like there wieghts better than polaris 10-series. but they are not cheap.
for the secondary how stiff is there grey spring?
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thanks, ill check them out. yeah i got the 10 series bushed weights from wahl i think they are the mod tipped ones but cant remember

the grey spring rate is 45-92

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think that will work madcow??

got clutch today, said it came off a 98 storm. well it didnt, had starter ring on with different sheave and narrow rollers, date said 97. didnt cross reference number on it yet to see what its from but seams it should work, maybe pull the spider, shims and everything from the old on and put it on the new stationary sheave to get everything good
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then get it balanced if everything crosses over.
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yup, the distance between the towers is the same so i was just thinking of putting the spider from my old clutch (wide roller) and shims for wide belt and putting it on new clutch. and yes getting it balanced but just wanted to make sure that was alright. i've heard dont change clutch components around but i think that was always because people wouldnt go get them balanced afterwards and it would be thrown off.
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Any updates worthy of posting? I have a 96 Storm and waiting with baited breath to see how you made out. Mine is stock except for Boyesen reeds and need a good proven clutch set up so I don't waste money I don't have...
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sorry it late, haven't been on since winter. One thing i got so far is it pulls good and have shit studs on so that doesnt help. putting new ones on this winter. Other than that, i know a seal is going out on chaincase so all the bearings are going to get changed out too. Last winter, when i had it all together with the gears, and all the clutch components that were mentioned, it still "boged" at midthrottle like it was shifting into overdrive and RPMS would drop until i hit the throttle again. (it has done this with stock clutch/gearing and with the stuff i put on.) The primary has been changed 3 times and secondary has been rebuilt a few times too. Would the bearings cause this?? When i got it, it would run like a raped ape. After 3rd ride, its been like this ever since. Can't even get the speedo past 80 now!!! Pissing me off. I'm not sure what else it could be! It seems like it shifts down while pulling the engine down a bit and when i hit the gas, it pulls but only pulls to the rest of the RPMS but speed doesn't increase that much, like i said 80ish-90?
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damn near thought about going back to stock gearing and putting on a EPI clutch kit or something. Any one know what springs, helix and weights are include in that??
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Late reply but here's my 2 cents. I had the same issue. I sync'd my carbs, added Boyeson Reeds and played with the jet needle some. They were way out of sync. I ended up leaning the carbs 1 slot on the needle. The reeds may or may not have helped. My bog is ALMOST gone now. The carb adjustments helped a great deal.
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