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I'm not that electrically inclined. But I do know 1st hand older model car coils would heat up and quit.

This should be a decent distraction for a day or so.
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ROFL, I'm done with all these stubborn dykes, if they want to spend $100 on a coil that's probably fine, then fine by me. Not my sled, not my money. But I stand by my statements, coils do not fail specifically because they warmed up to operating temperature. There has to be missing insulation, or some other cause... Besides the stator coils are located on the cases, which if you've ever felt the cases after a good long jaunt you'll realize they are actually cool because of the air and fuel coming in. Have fun discussing your "heat shorts."
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Not going to argue this because we know that coils can fail. But the 1979 bike in question would still have hand wound coils which were suseptible to vibration issues. But heat was not the primary issue which caused the problem, only the problem that brought the issue to the surface.
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ROFL, I'm done with all these stubborn dykes, if they want to spend $100 on a coil that's probably fine, then fine by me.

Have fun discussing your "heat shorts."
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Not going to argue this because we know that coils can fail. But the 1979 bike in question would still have hand wound coils which were suseptible to vibration issues. But heat was not the primary issue which caused the problem, only the problem that brought the issue to the surface.
Thought you were done?
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I was done with all the stubborn dykes now I have to start on someone who worships the "Hero of the stupid..."
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No worship here ...... I do find it odd you're so able to comment on vehicle (the ones I referenced) that were around before you were a sparkle in your Daddy's eye.

Whether the root cause was vibration or heat or just the style of coil, I recall 1 particular instance on a 1973 Olds Cutlass were coil was at fault. Car would run fine for a few miles, then nothing until it cooled down.

Regardless of how much electrical theory you present, actual occurences of it aren't going to change.
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Hmmmm, I searched "Intermitten Coil Failure" on google and got a total of 928 hits. Must happen a ton! The fact is that yeah coils fail, I don't get what your point is here because we know that. But its much more likely to be the regulator or wiring beyond that regulator. But you guys want to concentrate on a part that has such a low failure rate that it usually lasts the life of a sled. I'm not saying it shouldn't be checked, what I'm arguing for is instead of just randomly checking shit, work in a logical order and find the root cause and fix it. Instead people always just throw out random ideas that usually aren't the problem. In my opinion it makes more sense to measure for voltage at the regulator because you can learn three things instead of one if you measure the coil. Yeah if the coils bad you'll see it, but what if its not. With my method you would know instantly if it is a coil and what the problem with that coil might be. You can also find out if you have a short after the regulator. And you can also determine if the regulator is the problem. Wow, three things, 2 measurements, and good insight. Makes more sense doesn't it.
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Yes, but the point is to start easy and work to the 1/100 shit because normally coils last the life of the sled and then some. So stop being a stubborn ass about this shit progress through a good troubleshooting process. I mean christ you're like a guy I used to work with, change out every obscure part for $3,000 and then find the lose wire. DUMBASS.
I never said that he should not test every other possibility first.
That leaves the seeming impossible as the answer.
My testing method is to start at the spark plugs and work my way back to the exciter coils and all switches and connections before replacing anything.

So, please save the name calling for those who are really stupid (CYI), and have a pleasant disagreement on terms and actions.
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sooo back to my question tripple650 indy,what would you say is wrong with my sled,the voltage regulator or a bad ground
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Well the first thing to check is the grounds and hot back to the regulator. Just if you have a DMM you can check the continuity to ground and to the component. Inspect the component and make sure there are no bare or frayed wires. If you think you have a good set of grounds you can start up the sled and just measure the voltage on the coil side of the voltage regulator to ground and see what you get. Write it down. Then measure the voltage on the out going side of the regulator to ground and write it down. If you are able to run the sled to produce the issue do so and remeasure once the issue appears. If you get nothing or a significantly lower voltage from the coil side to the regulator to ground then you have a bad coil or a frayed or bare wire between the coil and the regulator. If that voltage compares nicely with your previously written voltage then measure the other side. If you get nothing then you should recheck your wiring to your accessories. If everything looks good then change the voltage regulator and see if the problem is gone. I'd almost lay money on the regulator though and possibly another wiring problem on the accessories side of the regulator.
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ok ill try it when the weather cools down a little
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My bad, I had to re read the problem again.

Sounds like your drawing to much current when everythings on and your over heating the voltage regulator. Some of the new voltage reg's come with a separate AUX (yellow) wire that you can hook your heaters to so this never happens again.

This happened to my old sled when I hooked up a heated sheild to it. Everything ran fine untill I turned in my sheild and warmers at the same time, 15 min's later out went the lights. The voltage reg was hot as hell and would not turn back on untill I cooled it down with a hand full of snow. Upgraded to a new reg and all is fine now.

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But heat was not the primary issue which caused the problem, only the problem that brought the issue to the surface.
Yep! that's what were saying! glad you understand now.
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well i was looking at prices for voltage regs the other day,so can get an idea,and i can only find those ones that have a 200w output,and my stock one does 290w, i was thinking will my voltage output from my mechiane fry the smaller voltage reg or be powerful enough.
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Too much load on the system and it will overheat and shut down.
Check the amp rating of the stator and check your total draw with everything on.
You may have to upgrade the light coil.
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Yep! that's what were saying! glad you understand now.
Huh? You wanna check again?
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well i was looking at prices for voltage regs the other day,so can get an idea,and i can only find those ones that have a 200w output,and my stock one does 290w, i was thinking will my voltage output from my mechiane fry the smaller voltage reg or be powerful enough.
Get the stock wattage if that is the issue, because if you don't you'll be buying two regulators instead of one...
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now ive never did work on a sled before, but if the coil is anything like a car coil, its probably gone bad...

the coils have like an insulater wraped around it, and when it gets too hot the insulation melts and shorts out the coil.. that could be why all ur electronical shit quits working...

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nope it will if it sits for a few hours
this could be becaause once the coil cools down, the insulation will cool down and reform back to normal...

this sounds alot like a coil, but i could be wrong cause im going of what i know about cars... check around and see before you take this advice...
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