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I enjoyed this thread for awhile ........... I'm all for "Ride what makes you feel good, Just get out and ride"
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single vs. twin or fan vs. liquid
Gimme an 800 triple free-air running open pipes. Nothing better.
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Gimme an 800 triple free-air running open pipes. Nothing better.
I'm all over that too dude. Or a 650 PDC.
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I pretty much stay out of triple vs twin arguements anymore because of moronic statements like these.



These twin guys are so set on the thought that triples are only good for speed its like pounding your head against the wall when you try and tell them otherwise. I have gotten to the point where I stay out of it and just sit back and laugh at the rediculous arguments they come up with. It seems to me they are pretty much scared of triples, and if I rode a twin I would be also.



How many times have you rode in the mountains Danny?
How much weight did you shave off your sled Hog, so you are in the twin weight class?
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No where did i ever state a triple was only good in a straight line.

Timmy what's the engagement of your CMXPSIMONSTERMODBRAAAAAP?

Problem i always have run into, is that the triple engagement is way high for running deep snow, one they get going yeah, they can ride where a twin does, but they are notorious for trenching off the get go due to high clutch engagement.
You have always said the triples are only good for lake running and trails.

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Yeah but you will accelerate faster?

I guess I dont see your point?
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He is saying that if you gear low your hi end suffers and vise versa. You can clutch and gear for speed or quickness, can't have both.
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He is saying that if you gear low your hi end suffers and vise versa. You can clutch and gear for speed or quickness, can't have both.
I know that, what I am saying is that it doesnt make the twin any better and I am wondering why he is making that argument.
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Oh Harry, reread everything and it'll make sense lol.
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i wanna see a 800 liquid cooled single,that would make a nasty ice fishing sled,the piston would probely be 5 inchs across
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Mega torque and thumping it's way across the lake like an end-loader.
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I know that, what I am saying is that it doesnt make the twin any better and I am wondering why he is making that argument.
Harry if you havn't already re-read i said neither motor is overall better. Just that they were built for different applications.

Twins shine in short distances, triples shine in longer runs. either motor can be made to run in the other's category BUT would sacrifice something
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I will put this argument to rest later on this winter after the 800 turd to 800 Beast RMK conversion is complete!!

P.S Polaris1man is a pussy for not spending the night at haydaysso we can argue the point into the wee hours of the morning!!
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Harry if you havn't already re-read i said neither motor is overall better. Just that they were built for different applications.

Twins shine in short distances, triples shine in longer runs. either motor can be made to run in the other's category BUT would sacrifice something
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Harry if you havn't already re-read i said neither motor is overall better. Just that they were built for different applications.

Twins shine in short distances, triples shine in longer runs. either motor can be made to run in the other's category BUT would sacrifice something
I understand that, but what I am saying is that the triple geared down, and provided more power....wouldnt it be the quicker sled? Not necessarily out of the hole because of the torque of the twin, but overall?
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depends on the parameters of the race. you could gear the storm way down and it could in essence out accelerate the twin, BUT if it can hook up...

there are so many variables to factor in since each condition would be different....
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short stroke motors tend to wind higher in rpm but there piston speed isnt much different than a lower revving long stroke, a longer stroke motor spinning at 9600 rpm vs a shorter stroke motor at 9600 rpm has much greater piston speed and will have very different porting and pipes design.

the little bit of wieght doesnt bother me on a triple, i would take more weight with a stable or comfy ride vs a light sled that bounces off every bump.

i would also take any motor with less hp if the body and track did a better job of getting on and through the snow. all the hp means nothing if you are stuck because you got cheap with the track.

how many sleds can you ride on the trail and hold wide open. other than a 340 fanner pretty much every sled from a 500 on up is going to go fast enough that you cant out ride the machine. hp to a trail rider is for acceleration. for an off trail guy hp is good to help get ontop of the snow or up a hill.
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I pretty much stay out of triple vs twin arguements anymore because of moronic statements like these.

I feel like I have held my tongue for long enough here. The real reason why you dont comment is because you plain old dont know.... Anyone can see that. Thats why your so ANGRY with all of your reply's all the time it keeps people from actually putting you in your place. You can, as im sure you will, go on and on and on about how I did this and I did that and whatever other bullshit you can fathom up, but bottom line is Tim when it comes to riding experience of twins to triples to kinds of sleds, to miles period I have you beat bad...



These twin guys are so set on the thought that triples are only good for speed its like pounding your head against the wall when you try and tell them otherwise. I have gotten to the point where I stay out of it and just sit back and laugh at the rediculous arguments they come up with. It seems to me they are pretty much scared of triples, and if I rode a twin I would be also.

I have rode both twins and triples piped stock and otherwise for extensive years. If you know anything about anything you would realize rotational mass of the crank shaft makes a big difference in both the front weight of the sled and handling characteristics. When you get into real technical riding/ carving you notice the wight of the triple's rotational mass as compared to a twin. Your also going to notice the low end power in deep snow. Compaired to mid range top end power. I dont really think that a piston port mod motor in a Gen 2 mod chassis says much for riding experience in a triple VS twin argument. The technology doesn't really compare. Nor does the weight, or stock VS stock setup. Everyone wants to talk twins VS triple but stock VS stock factory Vs factory seems to be something most people fail to mention. Everyone is SO EAGER to talk about MOD triples to stock twins, for once compair apples to apples, not apples to plumbs. For Christ sakes fair is fair. Talk to ASLED on HCS who is in my opinion one of the BEST sled handling setup guys around PERIOD about the famed "EDGE" XCR 800. Ask him WHY after doing just that setup he ditched it for a twin, ask him Why OH WHY he is now building a IQ Liberty 800 twin and not a supposed almighty IQ 800 triple.


How many times have you rode in the mountains Danny?
Fuck Tim how many have you?? zero Shit total sled miles period you havent rode enough to even mention. Back and forth across the filed, what does that prove, not a damn thing. Your so angry... But why.... you dont have a thing over on anyone.... Its really time to GROW UP. You dont have enough real time riding experience to even bother with mentioning. You try to act like your some big tough guy that knows his shit to a T. From what I have seen of you, you wont even give setup advice because you dont know what your own set up is.

Bash me all you want say what you will and whatever else, but when it comes to actual riding i have 10X the experience you have. You can all gloat all you want and go on and on all you want. Im sure this will bring up all this you did this you did that bullshit. I dont care, let it fly. In the end it doesnt matter because your arguments plain old suck.

Bottom line is lets see ANY MANUFACTURER make a triple sled that can pass EPA compliance and still be reliable and make HALF ways decent power now days. Forget the aftermarket, first it has to even get built and approved. Even Madcow cant deny the constraint the epa compliance brings.

Etech is great and fine, but it has its share of problems too. Its not the almighty saving grace its made out to be. Nor does it make the fabled power it should.

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hmm i wonder if i can put a grizzly 660 motor or some other single big bore in to a snowmobile chassis hmm or a dirt bike motor, whats the biggest single free air they make any way
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Fuck Tim how many have you?? zero Shit total sled miles period you havent rode enough to even mention. Back and forth across the filed, what does that prove, not a damn thing. Your so angry... But why.... you dont have a thing over on anyone.... Its really time to GROW UP. You dont have enough real time riding experience to even bother with mentioning. You try to act like your some big tough guy that knows his shit to a T. From what I have seen of you, you wont even give setup advice because you dont know what your own set up is.

Bash me all you want say what you will and whatever else, but when it comes to actual riding i have 10X the experience you have. You can all gloat all you want and go on and on all you want. Im sure this will bring up all this you did this you did that bullshit. I dont care, let it fly. In the end it doesnt matter because your arguments plain old suck.

Bottom line is lets see ANY MANUFACTURER make a triple sled that can pass EPA compliance and still be reliable and make HALF ways decent power now days. Forget the aftermarket, first it has to even get built and approved. Even Madcow cant deny the constraint the epa compliance brings.

Etech is great and fine, but it has its share of problems too. Its not the almighty saving grace its made out to be. Nor does it make the fabled power it should.
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I will put this argument to rest later on this winter after the 800 turd to 800 Beast RMK conversion is complete!!

P.S Polaris1man is a pussy for not spending the night at haydaysso we can argue the point into the wee hours of the morning!!
Certainly would like too, but have to bring the wife down to meet Danny's new G-friend, and wife is not much on the camping-tent idea!! Besides, you now will be able to argue with Brian on why twins rule over triples!!!
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Fuck Tim how many have you?? zero Shit total sled miles period you havent rode enough to even mention. Back and forth across the filed, what does that prove, not a damn thing. Your so angry... But why.... you dont have a thing over on anyone.... Its really time to GROW UP. You dont have enough real time riding experience to even bother with mentioning. You try to act like your some big tough guy that knows his shit to a T. From what I have seen of you, you wont even give setup advice because you dont know what your own set up is.

Bash me all you want say what you will and whatever else, but when it comes to actual riding i have 10X the experience you have. You can all gloat all you want and go on and on all you want. Im sure this will bring up all this you did this you did that bullshit. I dont care, let it fly. In the end it doesnt matter because your arguments plain old suck.

Bottom line is lets see ANY MANUFACTURER make a triple sled that can pass EPA compliance and still be reliable and make HALF ways decent power now days. Forget the aftermarket, first it has to even get built and approved. Even Madcow cant deny the constraint the epa compliance brings.

Etech is great and fine, but it has its share of problems too. Its not the almighty saving grace its made out to be. Nor does it make the fabled power it should.
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Certainly would like too, but have to bring the wife down to meet Danny's new G-friend, and wife is not much on the camping-tent idea!! Besides, you now will be able to argue with Brian on why twins rule over triples!!!
Wow. I have to go back to read all the threads you made some interesting comments in. You're not camping with us and bringing the wife. Danny is also bringing the wifey. It looks like the Lockard family is getting soft.

Shit, Bryan is also bringing the wife and Tim is planning on shacking up with Wolfie.

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Mark, this is all I have to say to you. The people on this site know what kind of a person I am and what kind of a person you are, and with that being said the things you say about me dont bother me one bit. You know nothing about me so the things you say have no merit at all. So continue to talk shit about me, I really dont care.

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Mark, this is all I have to say to you. The people on this site know what kind of a person I am and what kind of a person you are, and with that being said the things you say about me dont bother me one bit. You know nothing about me so the things you say have no merit at all. So continue to talk shit about me, I really dont care.
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Oct. 15 is a year at my current job and that means a weeks vacation, so I am going to try and make it. Rubi and I have talked about a preliminary plan, so hopefully it will work out that I can go. It's still a long way off though.
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