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Default There stealing OUR trail money again.

Get off you Butts, MN riders, there stealing OUR money Again.
We know they say they will Never do it again, but they do.
Cal/email your Rep.
Here's the story.

E: Raid on dedicated account
> >
> > We have just received information that the Governor’s Supplemental
> > Budget transfers $267,000 from the snowmobile dedicated account to the
> > General Fund. Although this claims to be a one time only transfer,
> > this sets a precedent that the funds paid by snowmobilers to create
> > and support the snowmobile trail system, are open to other uses.
> > Contact your legislators and tell them this is not right - the
> > snowmobile fund is a user pay fund for the snowmobile trail program.
> >
> > Please contact your clubs and let them know how important it is to
> > contact their legislators and to attend the legislative reception on
> > February 24th – 4-7 pm at the Kelly Inn, 161 St. Anthony Ave., St.
> > Paul.
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Hmmm, the Gov. was just on the MN Gov. ride, He must have forgot to tell them that he will be stealing our money. Prick.

I will make sure to let him know, if he gets our money, I will let all snowmobilers/atv/4 wheelers/cycle/hunting/outdoors people/ clubs around the country know about it.
AND to fight his political future as much as possible. Good luck with Running for President.
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Like $267K is going to make any difference in the General Fund. The Democrats need billions to increase all their social programs at a rate that satisfies the entitlement class. $267K won't even keep 5 welfare mothers happy. Let the braapers keep it; they paid for it.

I just read in the paper that Chatfield MN is getting over $7 million in various grants to build an "arts center." I haven't been down there in awhile, but I'm pretty sure there's less than a thousand people in that town. How do they rate $7 million to keep 2 dozen people in that town happy? When's the last time any of you had any use for an "arts center?" Well, I guess that's what we get for voting for a tax increase that most people thought was going toward improving our natural resources. Actually most of that money is going for a tiny group of liberals statewide who think that we are responsible for paying for their "arts" habit. Screw them.
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267k Isn't shit in the general fund, but how many miles of trails can be groomed with that money for fuel? Or trail signs? Or securing more land?

Fuckin prick. Where can I write this asshole?
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Did you know we spent a Billion $$$$ for the art center in the T.C.
They have stuff attached to everything, so they can get money.

That clean water / wildlife tax they put on us...
They get a third of it.
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you think thats bad, NY's awsome blind govenor is trying to take 5million from our general fund this year due to a upside down budget that the stupid fuck himself created
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That clean water / wildlife tax they put on us...
They get a third of it.
Clean water gets a third of it, and "the arts" gets 2/3rds? That's probably the way it will end up. Just like people that buy license for their cars are now paying for some damn train in The Cities. (Maybe that was vehicle sales tax. I don't remember, but it amounted to people that pay tax to drive a car are actually paying for free train rides in Minneapolis.)
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I am not defending gov Pawlenty's choice to cut money in the 'trail maintanence' fund for the next biennium, but keep in mind he had to either allow the DFL majority to RAISE TAXES on everyone or find a way to make cuts across the board. MN's constitution requires a balanced budget and we have a $1.5B deficit that needs correcting before the end of June. When there isn't any dough, all state funded departments have to take their lumps.

The proposed unallotment comes from a fund that maintains all trails in MN, not just snowmobile trails. Also, much of the money specifically for snowmobile trails comes out of fuel taxes, is constitutionally protected and therefore only fluctuates as fuel tax revenue fluctuates.

It’s always easy to be mad when a state funded thing you like loses money. As Rubi made clear, art centers are for fags, but when arts get cut fags get mad. Really, snowmobile trails aren't a government funding necessity any more than art centers are. It's all recreation, snowmobiling just happens to be a lot more fun. One man’s pork spending is another man’s ass porking center.
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So this money wasn't in a fund already? It was just cut from the State Budget? Cut from what the State was going to give the trail fund out of the general fund, or was it money that sledders are paying for by registering their machines and buying trail passes?
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It is money that the DNR had planned on getting. Some of the money comes from registrations and trail passes. Some comes from the GF. So, some user fees are going to solve the budget deficit instead of trail maintenance like it was supposed to.
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I've got no problem with cutting the budget across the board, but I don't think braapers should get pounded in the ass while asspounders get a new arts center. User fees for snowmobiles already pay for bicyclists, xcountry skiers, hikers, and joggers who use the trails for FREE, so they better not touch the snowmobile user fees any more. Enough sticky fingers in that pot already.

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It says it's coming out of our dedicated account, I'm sure there is more coming out of our general account also??

Still tell them NO
They get away with it once, they will do it twice.

And I'm sick of hereing "Do it for the Children" basterds have more then mostof us old farts could dream of.
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It is money that the DNR had planned on getting. Some of the money comes from registrations and trail passes. Some comes from the GF. So, some user fees are going to solve the budget deficit instead of trail maintenance like it was supposed to.
According to MNUSA, the snowmobile trail fund is NOT funded from the General Fund. According to them, it is a combination of snowmobile registration, trail passes, and 1% of the State gas tax. To quote MNUSA, " No general fund dollars pay for the snowmobile program." If gas tax, trail pass, or registration revenues have decreased; I understand the cut. If this money was paid by snowmobilers and is now being stolen to pay for other crap, I am not happy.

I'll be the first person to oppose a special interest whining for more money, or crying because their budget is cut. Even if that special interest is something I use, or believe in, I still believe that we need to cut government spending across the board. When you cut a program that is funded through user fees and put their money in the general fund, that is an entirely different situation. Why should snowmobilers pay fees to support other programs? Is some of that money going to go for grants to environmental groups that hate snowmobiling and try to get it banned?

I don't ask that people who ride bicycles have to pay fees so I can have a snowmobile trail. In fact, taxes I pay by owning and operating a car go to build the roads and streets that bicycles use for free. Where's the tax on train fares to help pay for the roads I use? Oh wait, people that drive cars subsidize train fares, so taxing a government subsidy would be kind of foolish.

The people of Minnesota always get fooled into supporting new taxes under the guise of using it for things that we value. An example is the lottery, or the recent sales tax increase. Trouble is that these things are advertised as giving money to a specific purpose, when in reality, hidden in the fine print, is that the money also goes to something the majority of the State would NOT have voted for.

So what is the $267K of user fees paid by snowmobilers going to go for? Five planeloads of Somalis to clog the welfare system? A 7 million dollar "Arts Center" in Chatfield? Maybe it's going to fund public employees union pension funds so when they retire at age 52 they can get $40 in pension benefits for every dollar they put in? Whatever it goes for, if these dollars are truly from the source that MNUSA claims they are, they should stay in the trail fund.

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The Trails Maintenance fund does get GF money. The cut in question will impact sled trails, but to what extent I'm not sure because sled trails, boat landings and atv trails have dedicated funds besides GF supplements. Also not sure where the $267k number came from. I have the the full budget breakout and the cut is $460 to the Trail fund. Since this cut is listed with other GF hold-backs, my guess is still that the user fees remain with the fund. There will be a shit-storm otherwise - but stanger things have happened. The hospitals lost some of their user-fee equivalents over the last three years. I wonder if this is some kind of accounting shift. TPaw isn't afraid to 'borrow' against other funds. I'll get a definitive answer tomorrow.

Snow - where did you get that number?

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I think that number was from an alert sent to MNUSA members. They don't say anything about it on the "news" section of their website, but I think it was emailed to people.
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Allocate --a way to steal money from one dept. to anouther-What's a balanced budjet?? Something that took 20 years to accomplish and 30 days to destroy-- Thanks man--Self serving polititions--Beat it losers!!!! Just go away!!
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Thank you Republican Governor Tim "scumbag" Pawlenty...The part time Governor playing on the sheep in MN to look all conservative while its nothing but a magic act.Look it this hand while the other hand does the dirty work.
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^^Who's increasing spending when we as a State don't have any money? As usual, the DFL.
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Who is stealing from Peter to pay Paul?
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Why does Paul always have to demand more money when we can't afford it?
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I already know the awnser Rubi,But can you ever see that not all repubs are ultra-conservatives? I know all repubs are flawless and its always the big bad dems that control all that is bad in Gov't.
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Tim Paw ain't no conservative in my book. He's a shill for the global warming fraud and he was instrumental in the McCain campaign. Two strikes and you're not out, but you're way behind in the count.

One thing you can say for Pawlenty is he has a pretty good record of being fiscally conservative with a Legislature that has never seen a dollar it didn't want to tax and spend.
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I got the skinny today - sick yesterday so I made no progress except catching up on a lot of tv. Apparently the gov's supplemental budget did hold back 3% in all dedicated accounts across the board as a proposed deficit solution, except those constitutionally protected. $267 is a fuzzy number though since there is no way to really account for how much GF money might have been spent in snowmobile side because very few requests came in this biennium. In other words, the fund is running a fairly high balance. No excuse for taking user fees, but as I said before, all bets are off when facing record deficit after record deficit.

Now the important part. I have it on good authority that this 'situation' may improve after the next official budget forecast comes out in the first part of March. Further, the house Environment and Natural Resources Committee chair strongly disapproves of raiding dedicated funds for grant in aid partners like this, atv trails, etc.

I'll update when I know more.

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I read somewhere that the write in campaign worked.

They have backed off of taking our trail money...

Woo hooooo
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Great news!!! steal money from some other program that is just wasted money not money that is used and supplied by same said participants
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