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I know I probably irritate some of you in my advocation of wearing some sort of chest protection, but I have my reasons. To many have the belief "that it can't happen to me, I know what I'm doing" or "I've ridden all these years without it, why should I change now". The story below is just another example of how that doesn't always work.


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------------Bozeman Chronicle----------

Apr 82:01 AM EDT

Gallatin Gateway man dies in snowmobile accident 

BUTTE
Mont. (AP) -- A 69-year-old man was killed in a snowmobile accident
near the West Fork cabin area about 40 miles southwest of Ennis

authorities said.

Samuel DHarveyof Gallatin Gatewaydied shortly after Sunday's accident,
Madison County Sheriff Dave Schenk said.

The accident occurred sometime after 4 p.m. when Harvey drove over a
steep snow drift.

"He nosed his snowmobile into the ground causing the (handlebars) to impact
into his abdomen," said Schenk, who added that Harvey died before a rescue
helicopter could reach him.

-------------MT Standard ------------

A 69-year-old Gallatin Gateway man was killed in a snowmobile accident
Sunday afternoon in Madison County, about 40 miles southwest of Ennis.

Samuel D. Harvey was pronounced dead at the scene after he crashed the
snowmobile he was driving sometime after 4 p.m. near the West Fork cabin
area, according to Madison County Sheriff Dave Schenk. The accident 
happened when Harvey drove his snowmobile over a steep snow drift.

“He nosed his snowmobile into the ground causing the (handlebars) to impact
into his abdomen,” Schenk said.

Harvey died from blunt force trauma to the abdomen.

Schenk said the victim was still alive after the accident, but died before the
 rescue helicopter could reach him. The helicopter, which flew in from
 Bozeman, airlifted Harvey’s body out of the area. Schenk said another 
person on a snowmobile called in the accident to 911. 
Mr. Harvey was an outspoken supporter of snowmobiling in the west. I never personally met him, but my understanding is that he was a key player in keeping several areas open for backcountry riders thru-out MT.
My sympathy and prayers goes out to his family.

My point with the above was that this was a man who has ridden his entire life. He knew the dangers and hazzards. Yet in this instance he failed to protect his family. My understanding was that he didn't have a protector on. Whether this has a financial impact on his family or not isn't important, it will have an emotional cost. And for the mere cost of a protector, it might have been avoided.

We insure our cars, boats, rv's, and homes; is a few dollars to insure ourselves that much? To me it's not. I don't want S&R or one of my buddies to have to tell my wife and son I'm not coming home.

Just something for you to think about in the off-season.

to Mr. Harvey: I didn't know you sir, but from what I gather, you loved the sport and wouldn't want it any other way. R.I.P.
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You don't irritate us. (at least not me)
I agree, and body protection is something my husband and I, along with several other members of our sledding families, have contemplated for a while.

It's just us gettin aroundtuit..............which I'm willing to bet is what irritates YOU about us. LOL
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There ya go... now you have no excuse
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if I die in an accident my wife would be better off since I have a $500,000 insurance policy...
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I am my own benificiary, piss on safety and piss on anyone getting my money. they can make the check out to me and toss it in my coffen.


I am a safety nut, have taken a lot of osha classes and i am one of the first ones to call shut down on the job. people dont stand a chance against earth or machines. trust me that cat 330 excavator didnt even wiggle when it hit me. if he would have had the 2 yard bucket instead of the 3 yard bucket yeah, i would have won!!!


i want a system so if my body all has a sudden change in speed or direction, or the sled stops at a certain rate of speed a big ball expands around me filled with foam.
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You don't irritate us. (at least not me)
I agree, and body protection is something my husband and I, along with several other members of our sledding families, have contemplated for a while.

It's just us gettin aroundtuit..............which I'm willing to bet is what irritates YOU about us. LOL
That's why timing was a good thing in mentioning this now. For a lot of you, riding season is over this year. You'll have all summer to throw a buck or 2 a week towards purchase without it coming out of riding funds.

Contemplation is a great thing, but it's worthless if some action isn't taken on it.

As for being worth more dead than alive, ask your wife or kids which they'd rather have. My money's on them wanting you home.

Construction safety was mentioned, I'm currently on my 31st year in the industrial trades, OSHA for the most part is a joke. If an accident/incident has made you more aware of jobsite safety, it wasn't OSHA that did it, it was self-preservation. For the most part, contract companies and their clients view workers as nothing more than tools to get a job done. Don't damage a tool because it will cost to fix/replace it. Your best defense on a job is your own awareness and common sense.
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yeah, were not allowed to run on the job its to dangerous.

all the old guys in the morning before we go into a trench or man hole say lets go home tonight boys. then you have the one young guy that thinks he is tough, I dont need an air monitor. how many years did they do this without them. yea well how many guys died you fn idiot.
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Very sad deal, and yes, it could have very well been avoided with proper safety gear. I don't take a lot of risks when I ride, so I don't think I will hurt myself - but I do know "that" is my first mistake - thinking it couldn't happen to me because I am a cautious rider. Reality - it can happen to any of us.

Geee - I might just have to put that on my Christmas Wish list!!

So Vertical - how much does a safety vest cost approx??
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Geee - I might just have to put that on my Christmas Wish list!!

So Vertical - how much does a safety vest cost approx??
Prices will probably range from $50-75 for a MX style roost protector ( not the best, but better than nothing) A TekVest can be bought for $180-225 and is actually designed for the application. This type I can actually vouch for, they do what designed to.

As a note, quite often this can be a 1 time purchase. I can't think of anything I've come across that has come close to damaging mine. They're comfortable to wear once you get used to another layer, and like any other layer, warmth of the body core is brought up.

As for fitment, I wear mine under the same size coat I always wore. Just like any other bit of gear, find the one that fits prior to purchase.

For the price of a cup of coffee a day, you can have the cash by next season. Pretty cheap insurance against injury.
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but for the price of a cup of coffee i am supporting children over seas. i dont even drink coffee. now you are making me decide. save a child or myself? i vote me.
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Okay, just a little poll here. Has anyone started putting away a buck or 2 for next years gear. Or are we gearing up for 4-wheelers now. You know a protector works for that as well.

Just a reminder, only 217 days till possible start of 09 season. :drool:
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How many have put away anything at all towards this for next season ?

Remember only 175 days til possible start of new season in the west.
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I've already got quite a bit saved up for next sledding season lol. I'll wait until september and see how much I've accumulated, then spend accordingly. I'll be modding my sled first, and purchasing new gear 2nd. I'll probably wait until the snowshows start kicking off to start purchasing new riding gear for next year. But a tekvest is on my list of gear to purchase for the upcoming season.
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I've already got quite a bit saved up for next sledding season lol. I'll wait until september and see how much I've accumulated, then spend accordingly. I'll be modding my sled first, and purchasing new gear 2nd. I'll probably wait until the snowshows start kicking off to start purchasing new riding gear for next year. But a tekvest is on my list of gear to purchase for the upcoming season.
See Mud's got a plan and is already working towards it.

Power, cut out the Boys Gone Wild PPV and save some bucks..........lol
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I know I probably irritate some of you in my advocation of wearing some sort of chest protection, but I have my reasons. To many have the belief "that it can't happen to me, I know what I'm doing" or "I've ridden all these years without it, why should I change now". The story below is just another example of how that doesn't always work.


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------------Bozeman Chronicle----------

Apr 82:01 AM EDT

Gallatin Gateway man dies in snowmobile accident 

BUTTE
Mont. (AP) -- A 69-year-old man was killed in a snowmobile accident
near the West Fork cabin area about 40 miles southwest of Ennis

authorities said.

Samuel DHarveyof Gallatin Gatewaydied shortly after Sunday's accident,
Madison County Sheriff Dave Schenk said.

The accident occurred sometime after 4 p.m. when Harvey drove over a
steep snow drift.

"He nosed his snowmobile into the ground causing the (handlebars) to impact
into his abdomen," said Schenk, who added that Harvey died before a rescue
helicopter could reach him.

-------------MT Standard ------------

A 69-year-old Gallatin Gateway man was killed in a snowmobile accident
Sunday afternoon in Madison County, about 40 miles southwest of Ennis.

Samuel D. Harvey was pronounced dead at the scene after he crashed the
snowmobile he was driving sometime after 4 p.m. near the West Fork cabin
area, according to Madison County Sheriff Dave Schenk. The accident 
happened when Harvey drove his snowmobile over a steep snow drift.

“He nosed his snowmobile into the ground causing the (handlebars) to impact
into his abdomen,” Schenk said.

Harvey died from blunt force trauma to the abdomen.

Schenk said the victim was still alive after the accident, but died before the
 rescue helicopter could reach him. The helicopter, which flew in from
 Bozeman, airlifted Harvey’s body out of the area. Schenk said another 
person on a snowmobile called in the accident to 911. 
Mr. Harvey was an outspoken supporter of snowmobiling in the west. I never personally met him, but my understanding is that he was a key player in keeping several areas open for backcountry riders thru-out MT.
My sympathy and prayers goes out to his family.

My point with the above was that this was a man who has ridden his entire life. He knew the dangers and hazzards. Yet in this instance he failed to protect his family. My understanding was that he didn't have a protector on. Whether this has a financial impact on his family or not isn't important, it will have an emotional cost. And for the mere cost of a protector, it might have been avoided.

We insure our cars, boats, rv's, and homes; is a few dollars to insure ourselves that much? To me it's not. I don't want S&R or one of my buddies to have to tell my wife and son I'm not coming home.

Just something for you to think about in the off-season.

to Mr. Harvey: I didn't know you sir, but from what I gather, you loved the sport and wouldn't want it any other way. R.I.P.
You know I understand what you are saying V.E. But think about the people who rode sleds before tekvests and still ride without even though they are available. Tekvest haven't been around forever, and how did we possibly survive without them? The fact is the sport is only as dangerous as you make it. By choosing to ride in a rural area with no trails he was taking a risk. He didn't know what was in the snow and he was a long ways away from any hospitals and what not. By riding trails on weekends when they are crowded I am taking a risk. The fact is tekvests are a great idea but common sense and thought go a long way to preventing many of the snowmobiling accidents out there. Drinking and driving is involved in at least 90% of snowmobile deaths here in Wisconsin for the last 10 years. So tell me is the tekvest going to save a drunk with a 150 HP machine from smashing into a tree at 40-50 MPH? The fact is tekvests are a patch for a problem that is rampant in this sport. Drinking and driving. Leave the alcohol in the cottage for after the ride and enjoy a safe ride.
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You know I understand what you are saying V.E. But think about the people who rode sleds before tekvests and still ride without even though they are available. Tekvest haven't been around forever, and how did we possibly survive without them? The fact is the sport is only as dangerous as you make it. By choosing to ride in a rural area with no trails he was taking a risk. He didn't know what was in the snow and he was a long ways away from any hospitals and what not. By riding trails on weekends when they are crowded I am taking a risk. The fact is tekvests are a great idea but common sense and thought go a long way to preventing many of the snowmobiling accidents out there. Drinking and driving is involved in at least 90% of snowmobile deaths here in Wisconsin for the last 10 years. So tell me is the tekvest going to save a drunk with a 150 HP machine from smashing into a tree at 40-50 MPH? The fact is tekvests are a patch for a problem that is rampant in this sport. Drinking and driving. Leave the alcohol in the cottage for after the ride and enjoy a safe ride.
I understand and agree 100% with your point on drinking & driving. No doubt it is a problem and needs to be dealt with. But, if that rider coming at you that's been sipping a beer at every stop verves to your side of trail on blind curve, would you not rather have all the protection you can? You can only truly control your own actions, though I do make it a point NOT to ride with those who drink. I've lost a couple good riding buddies because they refused to abstain will we were out in mountains, I'd love to ride with them. But as long as they bring beer out on ride I'll pass.

I like to think I bring common sense along when I head into mountains and ride within my limits. Do I push those limits? Every time we head out. I've done technical shit this past season I would have said there was no way I could pull off. I ride with a group of way more experienced riders and am pushed constantly to not hold them up and go where they lead. Not by them, but rather by my own sense of pride. Riding like that I won't even think about going out anymore without my vest and other pads in place. As I get older, shit takes longer to heal...lol.

As for technological advance over what was done 20 years ago, of course there have been. As a kid in the midwest we would have never thought about wearing a helmet on either sleds or dirtbikes. Were we less prone to injury back then or was public awareness a bit less then than now ? I tend to think more the later in addition to the fact we were kids, we were bulletproof in our eyes.

I'm not saying for an instant that TekVests or any other brand/type of protective device is the solution to snowmobile related injuries, but IF we have the means to offer some protection to our bodies absorbing the possible punishment we put it thru, don't you feel it's worth it to protect yourself. Common sense won't stop the deer stepping out of brush into trail, or the drunk from clipping you, or a stuck throttle putting you in harms way.

OK enough of my rant, my position is plain to me and likely to those who somewhat know me, each of has our own priorities and choices to make.

BTW ... as for the area the gentleman above was killed in, I believe it probably was close to established trails. Understand though that these mountain trails are not always the best groomed, are often in remote areas without benifit of cell service or quick access, and sometimes unable to be reached by helicopter. I'm unsure of this particular area, just speaking from mtn. areas out here I am familiar with.

I know having rode the trails in say, Togwotee, I'd rather ride the remote backcountry areas than face riders barreling down a trail barely wide enough for 2 sleds to pass. Just my opinion.........
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You know I understand what you are saying V.E. But think about the people who rode sleds before tekvests and still ride without even though they are available. Tekvest haven't been around forever, and how did we possibly survive without them? The fact is the sport is only as dangerous as you make it. By choosing to ride in a rural area with no trails he was taking a risk. He didn't know what was in the snow and he was a long ways away from any hospitals and what not. By riding trails on weekends when they are crowded I am taking a risk. The fact is tekvests are a great idea but common sense and thought go a long way to preventing many of the snowmobiling accidents out there. Drinking and driving is involved in at least 90% of snowmobile deaths here in Wisconsin for the last 10 years. So tell me is the tekvest going to save a drunk with a 150 HP machine from smashing into a tree at 40-50 MPH? The fact is tekvests are a patch for a problem that is rampant in this sport. Drinking and driving. Leave the alcohol in the cottage for after the ride and enjoy a safe ride.
typical old school guy. lol I am tired of hearing this, not from this site but from people in construction. the old guys are happy to use new equipment, but as a laborer you change the way you do stuff one tiny bit and you get labeled as a trouble maker or always trying to reinvent the wheel.

gear is avaliable today so why not wear it for the just in case factor. in the old days even a good rider had some just in case moments. today we have gear avaliable to help save us from that stuff.

just my 2 cents so go to hell with all of you!! just kidding of course i am just a little craby lately and like always you take it out on the ones you like. so deal with you fricken cry baby's.
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typical old school guy. lol I am tired of hearing this, not from this site but from people in construction. the old guys are happy to use new equipment, but as a laborer you change the way you do stuff one tiny bit and you get labeled as a trouble maker or always trying to reinvent the wheel.

gear is avaliable today so why not wear it for the just in case factor. in the old days even a good rider had some just in case moments. today we have gear avaliable to help save us from that stuff.

just my 2 cents so go to hell with all of you!! just kidding of course i am just a little craby lately and like always you take it out on the ones you like. so deal with you fricken cry baby's.
So I take it from the above post you're considering some sort of protection for next season ?
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typical old school guy. lol I am tired of hearing this, not from this site but from people in construction. the old guys are happy to use new equipment, but as a laborer you change the way you do stuff one tiny bit and you get labeled as a trouble maker or always trying to reinvent the wheel.

gear is avaliable today so why not wear it for the just in case factor. in the old days even a good rider had some just in case moments. today we have gear avaliable to help save us from that stuff.

just my 2 cents so go to hell with all of you!! just kidding of course i am just a little craby lately and like always you take it out on the ones you like. so deal with you fricken cry baby's.
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