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Old 04-23-2008
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Ok as you have prolly read my thread about the go kart i want to build. Well powersledder had suggested i use the a-arms off an atv so i got an old atv. I think i may get that running before i do the go kart project. This is the second project on here that i have stopped doing haha. First was the mxz which i might sell if the guy comes and gets it we will see.. But ya i got an old Yamaha Blaster im going to try and get going. Its in pretty rough shape as it sits right now but the engine looks really clean. Its pretty much complete as far as i can tell besides there is no piston. It came with two cylinders one needs work and one looks like its ready for a piston and its already bored out so i need to find out what size piston i need and im going to order a piston kit off ebay with the gasket set and everything. Im hoping thats all i need to get the engine running.. If i do get it running i will be taking it partly apart and sand it down a little and throw some paint on it and make it look a bit better.. Well those are my plans for now haha. Im still planning on doing the go kart just not til i get the 4 wheeler going first. I knew that if i got a four wheeler that was ridable with a little work i would want to fix that first haha.. I should have it running for under 150 im thinking and ridable for under 200.. For some people it may not be worth fixing but it will be something else to ride in the summer and alot easier than the go kart i think so ill do this first..



I think i need some help measuring the bore. Do you think that i can do this myself? I may have a tool that can measure it but im not sure as it doesnt say on it.. I will get a pic and throw it on here.. Its prolly not even close to what i need haha then im gona feel stupid for posting it haha.. Anyways ill post a pic right now..
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Here are some pics of that tool.. My dad said we had the tools to measure it but he doesnt know where they are or if we have them anymore.. he isnt around right now so i cant ask him.. Sorry the close up pics you cant see the tool that good..
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If this has nothing to do with it or i cant use it can you tell me what the hell this thing is? Haha.. Also if i can use it i need some help cuz i dont know how to figure it out..

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on the lowest pic to the right is there numbers on the shaft and outer tub? does it thread up and down? then it would be some sort of depth micrometer?
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on the lowest pic to the right is there numbers on the shaft and outer tub? does it thread up and down? then it would be some sort of depth micrometer?

Yes it has numbers on both the shaft and the outer part and yes it screw in and out.. I can try and get a better pic to show how the number looks... The screen on my cam is cracked so i cant see how to turn the flash off haha. Nevermind i have another camera that isnt as good but it will work.. ill try and get one right now..
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Inside micrometer, should be graduated 0-5 on the shaft and 0-25 on the barrel. Each numbered line on the shaft is .100" each line on the barrel is .001" each revolution is .025
The mic head has a .500" travel, the .500" spacer get you the secound half of the inch
use the differant length anvels to get the correct length you need
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Ya he said it was an inside micro meter..I couldnt remember the name haha. So that is what i have in the pic correct? The stock bore is 66.00 i believe.. The cylinder has to be bored out cuz i have two and the one that im not going to use must be stock and its smaller than the one im planning on using. I am not very good with numbers so this is gona be hard haha. I tried getting some better pics but i cant get any to come out showing the numbers. But ya it shows 0-5 on the shaft and 0-24 or 25 on the shaft. The last number is 24 and then its a zero so does that count as the 25 or no? Im assuming it counts as the 25 so ya i do have tool then. Is this going to be an accurate enough tool to get me the right size piston? I have the right size anvel thing on there to get it fit in there. So if this is in inches how do i get what size mm piston i need? Damn this is confusing to me.. I need to learn this stuff..


EDIT: I just realized it sounded like i meant i need to have the cylinder bored out. I meant to say that it has to have already been bored out so i need to figure out what size its at now.

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Well the 4 wheeler project is out now haha.. I am doing the go kart/dune buggy project now, Ive got a start on it finally. I am using the complete bulk head from the old polaris sled so i have all the motor mounts and everything all ready so no lining clutches and shit up. So that will make it a bit easier i think. Ive got a good idea what im gona do for the most part but still unsure on some parts.. Ill upload some pics of what i got right now in just a minute.. I need to find a long ass axle for my rear wheels haha, Other than that ive got almost everything to where i can get it put together, I do need some sprockets and chain and rear axle and steering wheel and what not but ill get that later on once its together and sitting on wheels. I wont be doing the blaster project as im using the a-arms and wheels off of it and i cut out the front so i can just weld in the whole thing and not have to make custom mounts or line it up for the a-arms and shit.. Let me know what you thinks, any comments welcome.


I dont think i can edit the title of this thread can i? If not can IBS change it to like go kart project or some shit instead if you get a chance?

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Here is my rear end haha. The whole bulk head, It will get some reinforcing and stuff to hold together and to hold the axle. Not sure where im going to mount the shocks yet, ive gotta figure that out too. That whole thing will move up and down for the rear suspension.
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This is my frame with the wheels just sitting there. BUT im not sure if im leaving the frame this size. I know atleast the front will be cut or maybe the whole thing not sure yet. But the front wheels i want to be in closer so i need to do some cutting and shit.. Will update with pics once i get it figured out. Had that chair there just to get a feel of it and see about where the gas/brake pedals will be and how much room i will have and shit.. haha
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Another pic of the rear end. The axle that was on this sled wont work for me as its hexagon or whatever the hell shaped, not round. Well i guess it could but it would be more work. We ordered a jackshaft off ebay for the polaris sport but i fixed the sled before we got it in the mail so i never put it in and i found out today it wont work on my polaris sport anyways. But lucky me it will work on my go kart as the jackshaft cuz its got the keyed shaft for the seconday. I just grinded down the splines on one side where the chain case and gears would have been on.

I havent gotten the shaft mounted in there yet cuz i dont have the gear to put on it yet. What would you recommend for the small gear? I dont really know how much this thing is gona weigh or anything but if you had to guess what would you suggest for teeth? I think the rear tires are 22 inch.



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Soooo.. What do you fuckers think about my rear end idea? Haha.. Any opinions?
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It, ummm, looks like it don't go too fast.
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Well umm thats cuz its not mounted yet! haha..

Its gona have a polaris engine so its bound to go fast
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Hmmm, well I don't have a vision of what your trying to do there so I will just wait and see...
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Hmmm, well I don't have a vision of what your trying to do there so I will just wait and see...
Haha im trying build a go kart/dune buggy. I guess where i explained more what i wanted to do was in another thread where i asked for go kart plans. So if you want you can check that haha.. its also under the atv section..
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I know what your trying to make I'm just not sure how you intend to use the clutches off from the snowmobile and couple that to your rear axle...
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I know what your trying to make I'm just not sure how you intend to use the clutches off from the snowmobile and couple that to your rear axle...

O haha. Well since part of the tunnel is still there that will be covering the chain. This sled only had one jackshaft and no chain case or anything. Im going to use the same spot where the shaft was and use a 1 inch axle from another sled. The secondary will bolt right onto the shaft. Then ill add a chain gear to that axle.. If you dont understand ill just get pics when its done haha.. Its kinda hard to explain..


Ill set the shaft and clutch in there today and take a pic and then try and explain it better..
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I can understand what you are trying to do with the rear axle and it might work, but personally, I would mount the chaincase end of the jackshaft on a permanent bearing and weld a gear to the center of the jackshaft, then another gear to the center of the driveshaft. Or offset just like the older solid axle polaris ATV's. So if you've still got the rear axle out of that wheeler you could use it.

As for the front, you're gonna want that to be narrower. My suggestion is to bob the front end in order to bring the A-arms inward. I'm gonna use my special paint skills to explain.....check this shit out lol red is for engine clearance, yellow is driver clearance
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I nominate Westman as the newest member of Team PMM

He is def doing a bang up job putting his mod-kart together with shit he has laying around. LOL
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I nominate Westman as the newest member of Team PMM

He is def doing a bang up job putting his mod-kart together with shit he has laying around. LOL
Haha yes thats right.. Almost everything will be stuff that i already have. ill need to buy a rear axle and bearings and some other misc. shit tho..

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I can understand what you are trying to do with the rear axle and it might work, but personally, I would mount the chaincase end of the jackshaft on a permanent bearing and weld a gear to the center of the jackshaft, then another gear to the center of the driveshaft. Or offset just like the older solid axle polaris ATV's. So if you've still got the rear axle out of that wheeler you could use it.

As for the front, you're gonna want that to be narrower. My suggestion is to bob the front end in order to bring the A-arms inward. I'm gonna use my special paint skills to explain.....check this shit out lol red is for engine clearance, yellow is driver clearance
Haha i have decided im making the front alot narrower. Well the front wheels will be in farther than they are in that one pic. I cut off the front of the 4 wheeler and using that for the wheel and shock mounts. Im not exactly sure how im doing it yet but the front wheels will be in farther than the rear wheels when im done (hopefuly haha). Also i do have the axle off the wheeler but i need something wider or i would use that. And i was planning on putting the gear that goes into the axle that drives the wheels in the center. You wont be able to see the gears and chain from top as part of the tunnel is still there and will act as a chain guard. You did mean to put the chain and sprocekts in the middel and not on the side like sleds do right?
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Well shit i may just use the axle from the 4 wheeler. Powersledder suggested offset wheeles in chat. Im not even positive what those are but i think i know, anyways if it is what i think they are then i could get by with using that for my rear axle and different rims. But the go kart will be a little bit smaller than i was planning or i thought it would be if i use that. But it was pretty big the way it seemed it was going to turn out. So i think maybe thats the better route to go. I will update when i figure it out and pics when other things start getting together which is hopefuly soon. now i need to find some different rims for the thing. Anyone know where to find some used ones cheap? They need to have tires i dont care what tehy look like as long as they are usable for a little while haha..




I was thinking this also, using spacers between the rims. how big if spacers do you think i could get away with? And i prolly would have them made or make them myself instead of buying them cuz im a cheap ass haha. I saw some spacers on ebay the biggest ones i found were 2.5 inches each wheele for a total of 5 inches longer. Do you think i could get away with 3 maybe 4 each side? Or more? more would be better i think.

Are offset rims where the mounting holes/middle of the rim is in closer rather than right in the middle?

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With spacers there is a lot higher risk of breaking things, because theres a lot more stress on the mounting points. You could inset the rear wheels kinda like the front, I made another kickass drawing for this
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With spacers there is a lot higher risk of breaking things, because theres a lot more stress on the mounting points. You could inset the rear wheels kinda like the front, I made another kickass drawing for this
Haha thats a good idea. BUT i cant do that. There is not enough room still. I been out in the garage messing with it and set the wheeler axle under my rear end thing haha, and its just not long enough, The muffler and secondary clutch are in the way. Here are some pics to show. See the pic without the clutch it fits in there but with the clutch and muffler on there is no way in hell ill be able to use that axle. With the kinda spacers i need the damn thing would break before i got it out of the garage haha..

By the way 650 this is what i was talking about doing with the rear end, you see the sprockets mounted under the tunnel part.

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EDIT: I just realized i think you maybe meant to put the wheeles back even farther, But i really dont want the thing to get any longer or bigger at this point. See the pics where the wheeles are just sitting there with the clutch and exhaust sitting there too. That is about the size i want the rear end. Ill be doing the front end as you suggested in your kick ass first drawing haha. So the frame i had in the pic will be cut apart and resized and stuff. I didnt fully weld it together yet either. Got any other ideas for a cheap axle or something for the rear end?

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Are you gonna put any shocks in it?
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Are you gonna put any shocks in it?
Yes, That rear end will mount to my frame on some, umm, i dont know what the hell they are called i cant think right now haha. The frame will mount to the rear end so that it can swivel or whatever. and ill mount shocks on the rear and they will connect to the frame somewhere. So the whole rear end will be moving for my shocks haha. I really cant think of how to explain it but those pics on the other thread where i asked for plans for the go kart. Its going to be like those karts kinda..



Like this except mine is going to be alot bigger. I havent decided where im mounting the shocks yet but ill need a roll cage and ill prolly have something pretty similar to these karts where the shocks are mounted to at the top.

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I designed a really simple rear suspension in one of my engineering classes. Not sure if I even have access to it from home, but it had 2 lower track bars mounted to the back of the frame rails and bottom of the axle. 2 shocks were then added to the top of the axle at the same spacing as the track bars. Seamed to work really well in the simulations.

So you could solid mount your bulkhead to your frame and use the shock clearance to raise the bulkhead so your clutches dont hit the tire.


Or, ditch the bulkhead, move the engine over to gain clutch clearance and turn the pipe 90 deg parallel to the frame, basically keep the exhaust connected at the Y pipe (no springs) and turn it upwards so it is centered over the engine
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