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Polaris sled project, 440 fanner to 500 liquid, 133" to 121"

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Default Polaris sled project, 440 fanner to 500 liquid, 133" to 121"

Well i have had my sled torn down for a while, I was just waiting on getting the skid and stuff..

This is what i did today, I switched to the 121" xtra 10 skid, with a 1.5" lug track off the Gansgsta MXZ. The holes did line up for the skid except for in the back, But i had to change the front too, There are pairs of holes in the side tunnel in the front skid mount holes, I had to drill out the bottom farthest one to make it sit right, I had drop brackets on my sled already, So i just moved those forward.

I think it looks great so far, Besides the fact that theres quite a few extra holes in my tunnel from where i moved the bracket. The thing that makes the sled look gay in my opinion is the 2-up seat, As soon as i have the money, Ill pick up a single seat for it.

I also drillled out the holes in the front of the sled for the running board coolers, I would have put them on already, But i need to find some rivets and the money for the rivets, Anyone know a cheap place? I need them for the exchangers and i think a few other things they would be good to use for.

I fucked up the first hole haha. but it looks "Ok" now i think..

Also ive been told i need the 8 tooth drivers, I didnt need them, Maybe me drilling out that bottom hole for the front skid mounts helped some, But i dont need new drivers so that is gonna save me some money..

I also took it out to the back yard today for a test drive, test out the new skid and track, I have to say i am VERY pleased already. Compared to before it has amazing speed and traction. As soon as i get some rivets, i will mount the exchangers, I am leaving out the bulk head cooler, It would be too much work to put it in, There is no place to put it.

So once i get the engine, I will update with more pics..

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Ya i guess i didnt take near as many pics as i thought i did, But as you can see in a couple pics how the skid did not line up right, The skid didnt sit flat on the ground and the track didnt really stay by the skid in the front. But i got it working good now.


So i am curious to hear anyones thoughts on my project. I did all this in one day, Not the tear down, I had already done that, But i did all the work stated and put the engine etc. all back on..
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So, what did you do, drop the front mount down lower in the tunnel?
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I did drop the front down, The brackets in the front, they had 3 holes on each side, for different heighths i guess. So i drilled out the bottom most, Fixed my problem of the skid not sitting straight on the ground, Its perfect now. Ill add pics of my ugly tunnel now since there are so many holes in it haha...

As you can see, where the brackets were originally mounted, There is a pretty big hole there. There is a bigger bolt that helps hold it in, Well the rivets came out on that side and that bolt started taring a hole in my tunnel, That happend last winter. I guess it doesnt really sit 100% straight on the floor, But it sits good enough im pretty sure, Or maybe its supposed to look like that, I dono..

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Ya i know, I need more bolts holding my skid mount brackets on in the back, I didnt have anymore yesterday and the store was already closed by the time i needed them.

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What's that drop in the front done to your approach angle? May want to look at that now, set it back as well as down.
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It wasnt dropped very much at all, I think the angle is fine, Take a look for yourself, Cuz i dont know exactly how it should be haha..

Heres some good pics of the angle/front of the track etc.. I think it looks perfect. What you think?

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Prolly good now, can you get a shot that shows more of the track on the floor along with the front angle.
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Prolly good now, can you get a shot that shows more of the track on the floor along with the front angle.
Sure i can get any pics, But how about those pics in the above post? Doesnt that show the angle? I can get more tho.


Also here is under my tunnel, How does my track clearance look? Should that be ok?

And i got my snow flap and bumper mounted on today. The bumper was only held on by two bolts yesterday, Im using bolts to hold my snow flap on instead of rivets, Much easier, cheaper and easy to take off if needed.

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Looking pretty good.
You're getting there.
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Here are some more pics, I guess im not totally sure what your asking to see, If this isnt it just tell me what to get pics of and i can.. These should be some good pics of the angle, I dont know if i can get any better on the track sitting on the floor tho.


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If you want i can try for better pics of the track on the ground, I am sure i can get better ones buts its getting dark out now so the pics arent that great.
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Looking pretty good.
You're getting there.

Thanks, So far my suspension is done, I am completed on that part, Other than a few more bolts i need to buy for it, But the track, Skid is all set to go i think. When i tested it out the other day, I was Very pleased with it.

It hooks up great, It has like amazing power compared to before. But for some reason it feels like the clutch doesnt want to kick in as fast as it used to, The short track shouldnt make a difference of when the clutch kicks in right?

But i guess it dont matter cuz ill be swapping motors then ill worry about that.

Im pretty pleased with the way it looks also. Im liking the short track and big lugs, And the height of how far it sits with the skid, I think it looks good.
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You know what little brotha? Good friggin job. You my friend are standing up to the plate and thats how you excell in life. You have done the work all by yourself without a whole hell of a lot of help or money and you got something significant done.

There is a bigger picture here. Knowledge. Its either going to work or it isnt. The latter will clarify itself rather quickly and you will know what went wrong. My first hardcore project was a 89 650 tripple into a 98 440 chassis. I was surprised how well it went together and didnt take any shortcuts in my mind. This was a tough swap by any standards and it worked. For awhile. The motor went south shortly after completing the project. I wasnt really that pissed about it as I got something out of it in the end. Today I am not afraid of doing anything and am quite a bit sharper these days. My next project was dropping a 700 big block into the same sled. You dont have to search here very long to find out how well that one went. Had some good fun with that one this winter.

The point of this is to keep going with what you are doing. Keep looking for the obvious faults in your engineering (think grade 5-8 bolts in the skid with coated washers), Before you know it, you will be dropping high buck bikeman motors into old 650 chassis's and breaking the 130 mark.

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You know what little brotha? Good friggin job. You my friend are standing up to the plate and thats how you excell in life. You have done the work all by yourself without a whole hell of a lot of help or money and you got something significant done.

There is a bigger picture here. Knowledge. Its either going to work or it isnt. The latter will clarify itself rather quickly and you will know what went wrong. My first hardcore project was a 89 650 tripple into a 98 440 chassis. I was surprised how well it went together and didnt take any shortcuts in my mind. This was a tough swap by any standards and it worked. For awhile. The motor went south shortly after completing the project. I wasnt really that pissed about it as I got something out of it in the end. Today I am not afraid of doing anything and am quite a bit sharper these days. My next project was dropping a 700 big block into the same sled. You dont have to search here very long to find out how well that one went. Had some good fun with that one this winter.

The point of this is to keep going with what you are doing. Keep looking for the obvious faults in your engineering (think grade 5-8 bolts in the skid with coated washers), Before you know it, you will be dropping high buck bikeman motors into old 650 chassis's and breaking the 130 mark.

Thanks man.. I really enjoy working on things like this, Building it, not really "modding" it, But it will be something that i, well i guess modified it, But it wont really be like a race mod sled or anything.

I have good feeling this will work out great once im done, I should be able to pick the engine up soon. Less than two weeks if not one week. I just need to get some money for some rivets to mount my exhchangers and stuff.

My first idea was actually an old 600 triple dropped into my sled, a complete older 600 indy for 150 bucks, til he told me it had 60 psi on each hole. Some guy told him that and he told him it was good. Thats half of what i should be. So i couldnt waste the time and gas money to go drive over 2 hours to check comression an engine i may not even buy cuz it needs work. I prolly could have made that work. I was thinking my steering may get in the way tho, I think thats the only thing i was worried about..

I am sure one day i will be doing a swap like that, A triple engine into a twin chassis..

Anyways, Thanks man, Nice to know you appreciate what im doing. Ill do a search about the 700 motor swap, Im curious to see it.


EDIT: I Searched the site for that swap you did. I didnt find anything, Was it on this site that i am looking for it?

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Grasshopper, you are making good progress.It looks as if you have the track set up well and now you just need the motor.

Remember the deeper lug will effect the clutch performance since it has more "bite", even though it is shorter than the original.
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Thanks OCR.. Yep my track and skid should be set to go. Just need some more bolts for that rear bracket. Of course i will be tearing everything off the sled again soon. As i need to replace that drive shaft bearing its kinda rough and didnt have the bearing while it was apart, I also need the track and skid off so i can rivet the heat exchangers on too. Wont be too hard since its all set up already. And the engine will be out anyways as im going to swap for the other one so it will be easy to move the sled around to mount those exchangers, I need to get some rivets and a rivet gun tho, Not sure how much those are going to run me, I hope not too much.



When i get the chance. I am going to want to clutch and gear this thing. Riley told me his friend did a mod to his stock pipe on a 500 liquid and dynoed it and got about 5 HP more, And tried other pipes and didnt gain much. So i am most likely going to try that sometime. Then i will want to work on my clutching and gearing.




By the way, Any idea why my stock 440 motor, the clutch doesnt want to kick in very fast, I dont know the RPMs mine didnt come with a tach. But it doesnt kick in as fast as i remember.. And i havent dont anything wiht the clutches or anything. Just had the engine out and thats all..

Im prolly going to upgrade to a better gauge pod also when i can, Mine is messed up and i want one with a tach.



EDIT: OCR, even with the track in the air, I give it some gas and it still doesnt kick in fast, I swear it used to kick in much faster than that.. I just realized you were prolly talking about thats why my clutch wasnt kicking in fast anymore haha.

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Dirty clutch.
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Zrxpilot, I found your thread about the 700 twin into the 440. That thing looks sweet..

I would love to put a bigger twin in my sled, Maybe one day i will get a hold of a bigger engine, Whether it be triple or twin i dont care. I am willing to do the work to put any engine in a sled..
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Dirty clutch.
Possibly, But im pretty sure it worked fine before i took it off the sled.

See my edit in the above post also. Ive read somewhere to use air to clean it? I did that last year and cleaned it a little. Also, i thought i read that i am not supposed to spray anything on it? Like the clutch isnt supposed to be lubcricated right?
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Right! I only use hot soapy water!
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Ok thanks, I should prolly clean the clutch up before i take the engine out for good then, Make sure the clutch still works fine, I may sell the engine if someone wants it, or i may keep it for my go kart project, (which i quit on for now, I had a trade lined up for a perfect axle/wheel set up but it never happened so im stuck now)
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You can also use spray brake cleaner after using the air.
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Wouldnt it maybe better to spray brake cleaner on it then blow it out with air?
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Get as much of the dry dust out as possible first, before washing with anything.
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Will do.. Ill prolly do that today and see what happens..Should i take the clutch off or just do it while its on the sled?
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You can try blowing it off on the sled but be a little cautious. Do it outside and maybe have a 2'x2' section of cardboard for a dust deflector. Me thinks you are also due for a new spring.

If you dont know allready, the most foward clutch (attached to the motor) is called the primary or drive clutch. Removal of the primary clutch you need to research a little bit before even thinking about getting it off. One - you need a puller and the are about 40 bucks. If the clutch hasnt been off in some time (like ever) it may be best to leave this job to a pro or work your way around it leaving the inboard sheave on the sled. I would bet you can find a shop that would pop it off for 10.00 if you played your cards right.


The skinny tall one is called the secondary or driven clutch. Secondary clutch is easy to get off using a 1/2 wrench but it might be stuck on the shaft. Check to see if you can slide it in and out an 1/8" or so before doing anything. Sometimes letting some Marvel Mystery oil penetrate a bit helps to get it off. This clutch is easy to service and is probably due for buttons. They are cheap but also require a bit of a heads up before jumping into it.

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Thanks man, I know the names and stuff. I have a clutch puller and have had them both off before, My whole sled was torn down when i cut the holes for the heat exchangers and stuff. The thing is i dont know how to work on clutches.. I have no clue what to do with them haha.. But this is on my 440 fan engine, I havent got the 500 liquid yet.

I was just wondering why my clutch didnt seem to kick in as quick as before and thought i would see if i could make it better before i pull it..

Ill try and get it cleaned up, Ill just take it off the sled. But ill be using the secondary with the new engine, So maybe i want to get those new buttons for it? are they all the same or does it matter for what size engine i use?
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