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Ive decided to turn to slednutz for information on a possible new sled. I value your guys' opinions a little more than other sites, Ive been a lurker for a while, and slednutz has show me its more of a how to/good info site than a general sled chat site.

Ok, some of you may know i'm in the market for a new sled. I'm being picky this time around although it's kind of difficult with my budget. Ive found what seems like a decent deal, and would allow me to keep my dirtbike. It sucks not to have mommy and daddy paying for everything I want, but that's life.

Im coming off of a 340 indy 133.5" for my powder, drifts and beat the fuck out of rides, and a 2000 xc 700 deluxe for my trail/lake rides. Both sleds suited my needs for what I did. The 340 was a bit underpowered but thats ok, I lived.

I do alot of off-trail, powder anywhere from hard snow to 2ft of nice stuff. Also have wet sticky shit too. Tail heavy landings are quite popular, as I am not a pro. Also put on alot of trail miles, nice groomed trails, bumpy sometimes, flat others, twisty turny and straight both apply. Basically I need a good all-around sled that can take a little more of a beating once in a while.

This sled has X12, I know X10 is better for the big bumps, but is there anything that outperforms each other on both sides? Pros & cons of both, anything to look out for on these skids?

Im a twin guy, always have been. I know the triple would be smoother for my trails again, how about off trail? I want some hard acceleration, and good power to keep my track spinning.

Few final questions: What kind of speeds should I be seeing (setup correctly of course), where would I be making peak HP (and what approximately would that be) and overall what are your thoughts of this 1996 XLT suiting my needs?

If any of you are wondering, this one caught my eye appearence wise, has relatively low miles, new parts, even and good compression (from what he says) and its the cheapest for everything i'm getting.

Heres a link if you want to take a look.

http://unclehenrys.com/CLASSIFIEDS/S...%23-2136200643

Thanks for your thoughts, Luke.
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115 is a little on the low side, but acceptable. It could also be the gauge that he is using or he does not know how to do it properly, I'd check it myself to be sure.
The pic he posted looks OK and it seems to be a decent price.
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^^^^^^^^^ What he said - plus:

The extra-12 is more of a trail skid. The 10 can take the beatings a little better becuase it is progressive-rate.
Since you need a good all-around suspension I would say the 12 is better for you since it can still be tuned for what you need, and you already have it making it more cost effective. You can get that 12 setup so that you can take some pretty gnarly hits and still be OK.
Make sure it's all tight and greased, spend the $25 per shock and have them rebuilt. Watch your sit-in, don't loosen your straps so much you do trackstands all the time, and most of all (I learned this the hard way) do NOT tighten the track as mentioned in the manual. Leave it as loose as possible without ratcheting. I destroyed a set of slides in a day of riding.
Go over the sled before you make any mods - simple stuff. Make sure the brakes work and have enough pads left, full of coolant, carbs clean and synched, etc etc. After you have it running right then do some clutch work if it isn't the way you like it, PM Madcow and ask for help when the time comes.
Triples have plenty of power all the way through - have no fear of that. I think the XLT is a nice mix of trail/perf. for a 10-year old sled. Most people must have thought the same thing as there's a million of them out there so parts are easy to get.
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I'd stay away from a '96 all together, that is the most problematic one with the pto crank bearing.
If it hasn't been rebuilt yet and taken care of, its only a matter of time before it grenades.

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I was hoping smoeone would mention the crank problem, I remember it being mentioned for the 95/96 sleds. What would be a better year? If he says the cranks been fixed is it still an iffy sled? how much would the crank cost to be re-done. And the oiler hole, whats that? Can I do it? This is my first sled, so im looking to do basic wrenching on it and learn everything/how everything goes together, I dont mind easy problems, but a cranks pretty major.
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I was hoping smoeone would mention the crank problem, I remember it being mentioned for the 95/96 sleds. What would be a better year? If he says the cranks been fixed is it still an iffy sled? how much would the crank cost to be re-done. And the oiler hole, whats that? Can I do it? This is my first sled, so im looking to do basic wrenching on it and learn everything/how everything goes together, I dont mind easy problems, but a cranks pretty major.
It depends on what he means by crank has been fixed. If its been fixed with new bearings same as stock your not really getting away from the problem that you had in the first place. However if it has been fixed with the wider bearings IE the tough boy kit then it will be good to go... As for the oiler hole its a forth oil line that goes to the pto side of the sled to oil the final bearing on the case before it comes out to the clutch.. At this time I would not reccomend that you do the mod yourself.

As for the 95/ 96's being problematic... maybe the 96 was worse... I have had 4 95's 2 XLT SKS's the first one with 8800 miles only changed one piston... The second 4200 miles... pulled motor.. Results seen on SF.... a short track XLT 5648 miles... sold with no problems... A 95 xcr 600 7860 miles carbs cleaned and sold... none of these had crank problems at all.. all very good sleds in there day.. still fun in low snow conditions to mess around on.

2800 miles is much to me... as long as the sled hasnt been neglected or abused I wouldnt hesitate to buy that sled for that kind of money... Needs plastic skis though... the ones that are on it definately leave someting to be desired...
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On the 96's and up to mid 97's, the PTO side oil hole is noticably smaller than the other ones. This hole is in the monoblock cylinder assembly. It has to be drilled and chamfered to match the other ones.
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I was hoping smoeone would mention the crank problem, I remember it being mentioned for the 95/96 sleds. What would be a better year? If he says the cranks been fixed is it still an iffy sled? how much would the crank cost to be re-done. And the oiler hole, whats that? Can I do it? This is my first sled, so im looking to do basic wrenching on it and learn everything/how everything goes together, I dont mind easy problems, but a cranks pretty major.
It depends on what he means by crank has been fixed. If its been fixed with new bearings same as stock your not really getting away from the problem that you had in the first place. However if it has been fixed with the wider bearings IE the tough boy kit then it will be good to go... As for the oiler hole its a forth oil line that goes to the pto side of the sled to oil the final bearing on the case before it comes out to the clutch.. At this time I would not reccomend that you do the mod yourself.


2800 miles is much to me... as long as the sled hasnt been neglected or abused I wouldnt hesitate to buy that sled for that kind of money... Needs plastic skis though... the ones that are on it definately leave someting to be desired...
So If I found someone who could pull my crank, I could just ship it to slp for the tough boy kit, and put it back in the sled and be good? would I be able to pull out the crank by myself? (my mechanic at are farm passed on saturday) and I would be doing all of my own work.

2800 miles over here is just broken in.
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What do you guys think of the polaris Ultra or RXL? I seem to be leaning toward a tripple, and these are all "related". or Are they completey different sleds altogether? the rxl has EFI, anything special on the ultra? again, honest posts are valued highly.
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Does anybody know if the 97 XLT's have the crank issue?

http://maine.craigslist.org/rvs/451098984.html

offer him 1,000 and go up to 1,200?

Also, Ill be adding all the sleds im looking/questions I need answers on to this thread, so I dont have to make multiple threads, so it will be updated constantly
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^^^^^^^^^^^By the grapics, that XLT is a '96 also.

Changes were made in mid '97.
The only way of telling a good one from a bad one is the oil line going directly to the PTO bearing.
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^^ IM guessing it isnt justy a quick job to check if it has the 4th oiler hole? I offered a grand thinking it was a 97 and was "problem free" from the crank issue. How would I check for the 4th oiler hole?

EDIT: were the changes made when they switched to the Evolved Chassis? They made the evolved in 97' also so would that be when they fixed the problem and switched the hood/belly pan to evolved
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bang for the buck go with a indy chassis ultra, you can lighten the heck out of it pretty inexpesivly and add good hp real fast. a 136-1.25 x10 with a nice shock upgrade with a set of aaen pipes from me would make one heck of a good ditch banger/off trail sled. also for 250 bucks you can get a mountain fit or brtech light weight hood for a fast 15-20 lbs wieght loss, if you check the swap meets you can get light weight front end stuff also and a newer seat can take 10-20 lbs off as well. toss on a handle bar riser for a little better control and for about 2500 bucks total you can have one heck of a good sled.
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on a side note. for the money and what you want if all you could get was an xlt, I would look at a 98 700 twin rmk. toss on an aaen single pipe from me for 19 lbs lost and a few ponies or twin pipes for a 14 lb loss and 12 hp gain, with the mountain fit hood for another 15 lbs lost, some slp slt skis from me of course and you will steer very nice with the 30 lbs off the front end, and it will have the track setup you will be looking for with the skid you are looking for, but with a lot better handleing front end, way better gauges and way better hand warmers than the xlt for about the same or less money than to buy an xlt and long track it.
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^^ There are very little RMK's in my area. they are all in the 02+ range and out of my price range. I did find a 98 xc700 for 1,100 with a little hood damage (getting pics) and a 96 or 97 ultra wedge chassis with 4200 miles for 1300. For price wich would be better?
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um the XC with those miles and that price... Id buy it if it didnt have a hood period.
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^^ IM guessing it isnt justy a quick job to check if it has the 4th oiler hole? I offered a grand thinking it was a 97 and was "problem free" from the crank issue. How would I check for the 4th oiler hole?

EDIT: were the changes made when they switched to the Evolved Chassis? They made the evolved in 97' also so would that be when they fixed the problem and switched the hood/belly pan to evolved
The 4th oil line is clearly visible right behind the primary clutch. you'll see a fitting with the line running to it.

No chassis didn't make a difference. It was after a certain production date during that year, which is unknown.

Around here, the Ultras go for the same price as a Xlt. have seen several this year in the $900-$1500
price range. The $1500 one was absolutely mint w/4100 miles.
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Just found 2 Of interest to me.

A 2002 Pro-x 440 liquid, all trail converted, race heads and stuff comes with it. 1200obo.

and a 96 Polaris Ultra in good condition, PSI pipes, for 1300 OBO.

Madcow Kinda got me going onto a Lightweight Ultra project which sounds kinda fun.

Let me know what you guys think, Im leaning towaard the ultra, its fast, a tripple, and with Madcows help I can make it to suit my jumping style of riding. What do you guys think?


EDIT: the ultra has X10 right?
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The Ultra has the Xtra-10.

For your style of riding, I would go with the Pro-X.
Much lighter and better suspension for jumping.

The triples are more suited to us trail/lake racer type of guys.
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go with the 440 that body with a fan motor could out ride an old wedge sled with 2x the hp. that 440 will beat a stock single pipe ultra and wouldnt take much to beat an ultra spx stock. them 440s will run with 600/700's on the short drags but in the ditches and trail be hard to catch. I know because I have been chasing them for a lot of years.
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Madcow would you really reccomend he get a 2002 Pro X liquid A sled that you have to rejet if the sun goes under a cloud I had one of those... Your right its a great riding sled... Very fast and very fun when it works.... However who wants to have to rejet every 5 degree temperature change I got sick of carrying jets around all the time so I got rid of mine in just a little over a year.
I dont know if luke is ready for that kind of a commitment... I mean its not like that sled just kinda runs bad it falls flat on its face and bogs like no other... Its a good sled yeah, but do you think luke is really ready to rejet all the time?
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^^Luke doesn't think so. Im not in the ditches like all the time, if the ultra can handle like 2.5ft powder (max, Usually thats like a ton, I will probably be putting on a 1.25" track of some sort anyway) and rides better than the 340 on the jumps, yet can go as fast/handle the same as the 700, I think ill be happy. Because Ive always heard of the 440's being very finicky on the jetting, and I dont have the knowledge or time to be changing that.

Id be suprised if I keep this till next winter anyway. If I do Ill be selling the tt-r and be "modding" this one and keep her till she dies and then part it out, Ill be getting my permit soon so I wont be sledding as much.
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in the long run the ultra would be a better sled just for the custom build aspect. you can long track it, once you have the motor dialed in it is pretty much there,, plus in the future you can put a big bore on it up to 250 hp. you put on an edge rear skid with a 136 track, light wieght hood with a prox seat or light weight boss seat with edge 12 gallon tank, some handle bar risers and other bling and there is no reason it will not do everything he wants it to do. so what if it took 2-3 years to be fully blinged out. atleast it would be a sled that you built for your style of riding.
this is what I am doing with my 800. I spent 7 years of playing with it and now sold everything off it and extra stuff I had in the shop to make it a total custom ditch banging off trail machine with a price big bore. so you get the ultra for 1300, you can find edge skids for 250-350, mountain fit hood for 250, that is a huge weight loss, used triple pipes for 250-300. for the first year if you had 2000 stuck into it with the cost of the machine you could have long track, handlebar risers, pipes, tempa flow. then the next year you do the next phase.


yeah the 440s sucked in that way. the 98 was the last good trail year. tempa flow might help? I hated the 440 I rode for that reason. when it ran good it was one of the funnest sleds to have in the ditch or trail. but when it wasnt running good it sure didnt have any power or fun.
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Fully agreed about the ultra there are alot of mods that can be done.... but hes only 14 I dont think he really needs to go that crazy and spend all that money just yet... My advice is buy the ultra ride it and if you want to mod it a few years down the road you have the option to.
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I think thats what Ill do, Then, If it dies or something, Ill part it out. Im gonna talk with the guy again tommorow, and we'll go from there. This year will probably just be 4" fly risers and barpad with some bars. I dont know what ill do for bars yet. Ill update as soon as I know

EDIT: MADCOW, It already has PSI pipes, I dont think you noticed that. Unless I didnt state it.
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