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OK, I dunno what happened but I REALLY wanna head west something after Thanksgiving and before Christmas. I was gonna see what Vert's plans were and borrow a single trailer if I need to LOL. I know Polaris_RMK800 is near me and figured he might want to go. I am 100% serious and am going to start threads on John Dee and Snowest if I don't get any bites. We can do 2 sleds and a 2 place or get a group and do a 4-place.

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Anyone else in? I am thinking Cooke has the best snow for late November but am open to anything in a reasonable driving distance. I have 10 vacation days I need to use. LETS ROLL.
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OK, I dunno what happened but I REALLY wanna head west something after Thanksgiving and before Christmas. I was gonna see what Vert's plans were and borrow a single trailer if I need to LOL. I know Polaris_RMK800 is near me and figured he might want to go. I am 100% serious and am going to start threads on John Dee and Snowest if I don't get any bites. We can do 2 sleds and a 2 place or get a group and do a 4-place.

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Anyone else in? I am thinking Cooke has the best snow for late November but am open to anything in a reasonable driving distance. I have 10 vacation days I need to use. LETS ROLL.
I'm in unless winter turns nutz and takes a break. Something to keep in mind Cuzz, you're not going to have great snow at that time, but riding will be possible. My plans right now are to get 1st ride by no later than Thanksgiving weekend, even it's just a trail ride.(VERY Likely)
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I'm in unless winter turns nutz and takes a break. Something to keep in mind Cuzz, you're not going to have great snow at that time, but riding will be possible. My plans right now are to get 1st ride by no later than Thanksgiving weekend, even it's just a trail ride.(VERY Likely)
Cooke was awesome last year right after Thanksgiving. No base but it was still very deep.
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Define "very deep", remember, technically you're still a flatlander. Deep by your standards may not be enough........lol.
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Define "very deep", remember, technically you're still a flatlander. Deep by your standards may not be enough........lol.
I was in snow up to my chest and still not touching earth. It was very powdery compared to my trip to the Snowies. No one bottomed out, hit any stumps, etc. I did see dirt in a few places but it was obviously not as deep there. Ideal conditions, not at all, better than any day in the UP... Yep!
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I was in snow up to my chest and still not touching earth. It was very powdery compared to my trip to the Snowies. No one bottomed out, hit any stumps, etc. I did see dirt in a few places but it was obviously not as deep there. Ideal conditions, not at all, better than any day in the UP... Yep!
Let me guess, dirt at the tops of ridges? Pretty common over around kemmerer even in Jan./Feb. Damn wind scrubs all the snow off as fast as it falls.
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Let me guess, dirt at the tops of ridges? Pretty common over around kemmerer even in Jan./Feb. Damn wind scrubs all the snow off as fast as it falls.
I don't remember seeing too much dirt to be honest. I posted some pics over on SF in my gallery if you'd like to have a better lool. It was windy as hell at a lot of the ridge lines. That is where I did my first cornice drop.
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I don't frequent SF much anymore. We'll get new pics and see it 1st hand this year. Really looking forward to riding. Just keep that gay-Harry shit back east.......lol.

BTW, I'm working on and hopefully will have up and running right a gallery system that each registered user will be able to post up photo albums. Should have all the bugs coded out before season starts.
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How many people you looking to go after Thanksgiving?

I will give you my take on the short track dilemma, excuse, whatever you want to call it. I rode out west with a short track originally, like most flatlanders, such as myself, start out.
It was a blast. Yes, you will get stuck, won't out mark any one, won't beable to venture back country, but who cares. My reason for riding is the fun and memories that are made. You could ask me what I have done on a sled that would stand out and I probably couldn't tell you, ask me some of the fun and crazy things that I remember from rides and I could fill a book. I would prefer to ride with guys that are out to have fun, a little competition is fine, but the constant " I am better than those guys on Slednecks" stuff isn't for me, takes the fun out of the ride.
I have seen some short track riders do some pretty amazing stuff with what they had. Another thing is if you can't handle a short track in powder, sure won't help with a longer track. If you can toss that short track around, you will do just fine. So personally, I would invite anyone with a short track into the mountains, bring the camera, and be prepared to be sore, because there are going to be stories to be told.

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How many people you looking to go after Thanksgiving?

I will give you my take on the short track dilemma, excuse, whatever you want to call it. I rode out west with a short track originally, like most flatlanders, such as myself, start out.
It was a blast. Yes, you will get stuck, won't out mark any one, won't beable to venture back country, but who cares. My reason for riding is the fun and memories that are made. You could ask me what I have done on a sled that would stand out and I probably couldn't tell you, ask me some of the fun and crazy things that I remember from rides and I could fill a book. I would prefer to ride with guys that are out to have fun, a little competition is fine, but the constant " I am better than those guys on Slednecks" stuff isn't for me, takes the fun out of the ride.
I have seen some short track riders do some pretty amazing stuff with what they had. Another thing is if you can't handle a short track in powder, sure won't help with a longer track. If you can toss that short track around, you will do just fine. So personally, I would invite anyone with a short track into the mountains, bring the camera, and be prepared to be sore, because there are going to be stories to be told.

Same rules do not apply to the U.P.
I would actually like to have a short track version of my sled (144 being short out here). I had more fun on my Phazer with a 14 x 144 than ever on my longtrack. It wouldn't go places the longer will, you were definitely getting stuck if in deep POW, it was still more fun.

Rubi is another example of flatlander shorties. I think he rides what, a 121 or something out in W. Yellowstone. Never heard him complain about having a bad time.

You mention SledNecks, look at what most of them are on, short tracks.

Competition is fun, in moderation. Having 1 rider with more experience or just a better rider is always nice, pushes lesser riders to do better. At least with me it does.

Can't comment on UP snow, never rode there, yet.
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I would actually like to have a short track version of my sled (144 being short out here). I had more fun on my Phazer with a 14 x 144 than ever on my longtrack. It wouldn't go places the longer will, you were definitely getting stuck if in deep POW, it was still more fun.

Rubi is another example of flatlander shorties. I think he rides what, a 121 or something out in W. Yellowstone. Never heard him complain about having a bad time.

You mention SledNecks, look at what most of them are on, short tracks.

Competition is fun, in moderation. Having 1 rider with more experience or just a better rider is always nice, pushes lesser riders to do better. At least with me it does.

Can't comment on UP snow, never rode there, yet.
Reason I say U.P, is different is that there are more woods, going through brush, it is crappy to try to dig out.....say a 1997 Storm short track...... with brush and trees around because you look ahead and know in 20 feet your going to be digging again. Smaller area, lot more traffic, anyway off trail, with these sleds evolving more for that purpose, need to go further in to find good riding.

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How many people you looking to go after Thanksgiving?
Doesn't matter to me. It could be 2, 3, 4, whatever. I put out my feelers to see who else might bite. I have one friend who is possibly going to the Snowies, another who is going to Cooke (but I don't think has extra room) and a few others I haven't heard from yet. I really don't care if it is 2 of us on a 2 place or we find others... I just want to ride.
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Doesn't matter to me. I really don't care if it is 2 of us on a 2 place or we find others... I just want to ride.
Then why drive all the way to Cooke? We'll have snow in the Bighorns by then, we can ride there. I've made friends with some locals who I could probably get to ride with us and keep us out of trouble.
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Then why drive all the way to Cooke? We'll have snow in the Bighorns by then, we can ride there. I've made friends with some locals who I could probably get to ride with us and keep us out of trouble.
Only because I know it was good enough last year at that time. If it is closer it is fine with me. How much snow are you talking around T-day?
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I would love to go but cant. I have a huge itch to have enough snow to ride out of my garage and go up to duluth for a change.
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Jeeze, I looked at the title and thought maybe Olaf had caught something from Harry!!!
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Same here OCR, I was starting to get worried that Olaf needed a Penicllin shot in the cheecks!! Oops, better not say that around Harry, he might want seconds, and that will make it tough for Olaf ridin' out West, might not be cured by T-Day!!
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I stayed there last time I was there. Good people, cheap cabins, etc. I'd stay there again if I went. I don't want to pump money into a franchise Super 8 if I don't have to.

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Only because I know it was good enough last year at that time. If it is closer it is fine with me. How much snow are you talking around T-day?
I talked with the local Ski-Doo dealer today, (a female sledder who appears as fanatical as any man I've met) she tells me it's trail riding only by law until Nov. 15. Said usually there's enough to get off-trail using some caution and common sense by late Nov. - early Dec. Mid to late Dec. it's on everywhere.

It's up to wherever you folks want to drive to, I've got shorter drive regardless. Info I have gotten is best area for a place to stay near trailheads is going to be on the northern(Sheridan) end of the BigHorns. Evidently the BigHorn Lodge is still in a bit of trouble with the Forestry Service, good chance they won't be open this year. Otherwise it's about a 45 min to hour drive up from Buffalo.

Bear Lodge on the northern track will be open as will Southfork Lodge

Editted to add link to Bighorn Lodge, Deer Haven, and Meadowlark Lake lodges. They are all part of BigHorn Mountains Resort. Unsure yet if they will be open or not. I'll find out next weekend, going home that way for the weekend.
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I may be interested in a Bighorn trip sometime. If the southern people came through Minneapolis on I-94, I could join the group. I haven't looked at a map though. 94 might be too far north of the Bighorns to make sense. I-90 might be the way to go.

I want to weigh in on the early season thing. All the mountain people will be on the forums soon bragging about all the snow they are getting. The peaks are white, they got a foot up high, yada yada yada. We'll have snow here some morning in November, and I'll post that I went riding. I'll ride down the street on my 400 in 2" of snow just to say I did. It's kind of the same out west. Yeah, you can ride, but do you want to travel there to do it? The mountains I frequent the most out west would be very poor to ride in early season. This would not be due to lack of snow since that area gets more snow than anywhere in the Rockies. Access to many areas would be difficult because rivers and ravines need to be covered up by deep snow. Many of the best play areas are burns or logged areas that need young trees, or debris covered up by a good base before they are rideable. Up high, where rocky ridges, cliffs, and couloirs dominate the terrain, rocks and unstable snowpack could put a quick end to your trip.

Two seasons ago, I almost had a fatal accident at the ski resort in early December. They had already had 120 inches of snowfall, and the base was between 45" and 55" at the time. I skied over a rock that ripped my skis off, flew 65 feet through the air, and javelined headfirst into the snow. After being rescued, I surveyed the area, measured my flight distance, and realized that my head had missed a sharp granite boulder by about 6". That hidden boulder, which would have crushed my skull like a hardboiled egg at that speed, would be a distant memory after just 3 or 4 more weeks of snowfall.

All that being said, an early season trip can be done. Many high areas in the Bighorns are not that rugged. It is pastureland in the summer with some light sagebrush growth. Those areas would be quite rideable with thin base. I know that a lot of areas in Island Park would be quite rideable with an early season snowpack. I don't know Cooke City, but I'm sure some areas there would be good, while others would be sketchy at best. The only problem with that early season trip would be that your terrain options could easily be quite limited. I'm a "bang-for-your-buck" type of guy, and a November trip would probably fall short in that category.

If it happens though.... you can maybe count me in!
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I-90 will run you right up to Buffalo or Sheridan on the east side of the Bighorns. Not sure about I-94, I think you would be up in MT. and have to bring 90 south. Wherever it's decided to be won't be optimal snow that early.
We rode last season the weekend after T-Day and it was strictly trail riding, nowhere near enough snow to safely get off-trail. Rocks, stumps, and open water can ruin a season quickly. So yeah, Rubi's dead on right, option for riding may (likely) will be limited.
Not saying there won't be good snow high in the Bighorns, just that it's in Wilderness area and so off limits to us for riding.
I plan on early season rides with the full knowledge they'll be strictly trail rides. I need time on motor before real season gets swinging, so I'll ride the hell outta trails for a month or so till snow/base is good enough to let go in the off-trail.
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