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Yellowstone National Park winter use 08,09 PLEASE READ & ACT ON IT

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Default Yellowstone National Park winter use 08,09 PLEASE READ & ACT ON IT

This was posted on another sledding forum and I wanted to pass it on for more response.


Originally posted by Goldenwest on Snowest.com

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From: West Yellowstone Chamber Fax No.: Broadcast
Re: PARK MAKES STRIDES TO ASSURE VARIETY OF WINTER ACCESS
NOW IT’S OUR TURN TO BE THE”SOMEONE SHOULD DO SOMETHING!”

On Monday, November 3rd, 2008, Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks announced a two-week public comment period on a new plan to guide the management of winter use in the parks for 2008.

The previous plan was rejected by a federal judge in Washington, D.C., in September. With no plan, neither snowmobiles nor snowcoaches could be allowed in the parks this winter.

The Park Service has diligently worked since the court’s decision, to develop this plan that offers two alternatives
The first, (called “no action’) would allow no motorized over-the-snow winter access.
The second, and the park’s preferred, alternative would allow up to 318 commercially guided, Best Available Technology (BAT) snowmobiles, and up to 78 commercially guided snowcoaches per day in Yellowstone beginning Monday, December 15, 2008.

RE: It’s vital that we all (and everyone we know) make comment on these two alternatives as stated in the “2008 Winter Use Plans Environmental Assessment. All public comments must be received or postmarked by midnight, November 17, 2008. Here’s how to do it:

Written comments can be dropped off in person or mailed to:
National Park Service Management Assistants Office
PO Box 168
Yellowstone National Park, WY 82190.
Comments will not be accepted by phone, fax, or e-mail.

On-line. The quickest way to access the website to read the EA and make a comment is to "go directly to http://parkplanning.nps.gov.
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Use the pull-down menu on "Choose a Park" to select Yellowstone,
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Click on "Plans/Document Open for Comment"
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Next, click on the link to "2008 Winter Plan Use Plans Environmental Assessment.*"
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Look down the left-hand column for a link to "Comment on document."
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Just click once and a form will open.

RE: Next Steps
There are still several steps that need to occur before December 15th. We remain confident that Yellowstone will open on time with a variety of winter access including cross-country skiing, snowcoach, snowmobile and snowshoe.

In a few days, a proposed rule to implement the preferred alternative contained in the new plan will be published in the Federal Register and this, too, will be open for a 15-day public review and comment period.

After the comment period and analysis, the Region of the National Park Service would sign a Finding Of No Significant Action (FONSI) containing details of that decision and the new rule implemented. .

The National Park Service expects to have a decision regarding winter use management by the December 15, 2008, scheduled start to the winter season.
As you can see from the above, this issue is time sensitive. Please take a few minutes to express your opinions and views to keeping the Park open to winter use. Regardless of your location or whether you plan to visit the Park this season, Please respond in timely manner.
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I allready sent in my .02 on this bullshit.
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I allready sent in my .02 on this bullshit.
Then as a westerner, Thank You. Every response will help toward keeping the beauty of this National Treasure open to future generations.

Having 1st hand seen the park in winter, it's a good way for none riders to experience a little of the beauty and freedom we get to as backcountry riders.
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I just sent in my two-bits worth. I've written a few reports on the issue, so writing that reply was a sinch. I've never ridden in the park, but I do make it to West Yellowstone every year. If I ever do want to ride in the park, I most certainly want to keep the option open!
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Thanks Quinlan, that's the attitude we all should have about all areas.
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Thanks for posting this thread. I went to the website and posted the following comment;

"Though I don't plan on making a winter trip to Yellowstone this year, I do hope to make a trip in the next couple of years and would like to do so, on a snowmobile. Our National Parks are a wonderful resource for our country and access to all types of visitation is very important.
In carrying over the plan through 2011, it guarantees citizens will have the opportunity to see the parks in a whole different light at least for the next three seasons. It would be more comforting if there was a long term plan in place that didn’t have a sunset clause but was reviewable should the need arise.
I believe the BAT rule is good and don’t have a problem with requiring a commercial guide, as long as prices are regulated reasonably so that anyone that would like to enjoy the winter beauty of the parks can afford too.
My final point is that access should available to all citizens that want the experience."


It may be worded kinda wussy but I figure it is always better to take what they'll give you and then work to get more.
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The whole point is you acted, too many do nothing except bitch to anyone who will listen and don't have time to put forth a little effort and use their voice to make our position heard. Then when we lose another riding area they wonder why it happened.
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Wyoming judge opens door for more Yellowstone snowmobiles
Written by CJ Baker
Thursday, 13 November 2008

Just when Yellowstone’s winter 2009 plans appeared set, a new court decision has muddied the waters.

In September, a District of Columbia judge scuttled Yellowstone and Grand Teton parks’ long-term plans for winter use. Judge Emmet Sullivan ruled the parks’ plans to allow 540 snowmobiles a day in Yellowstone and 65 in Grand Teton were not backed by science.


In response, the parks crafted a temporary plan that would allow 318 snowmobiles each day in Yellowstone and 50 in Grand Teton. That plan was meant as a stop-gap while the parks came up with a new environmental impact statement and plan.

Now, a ruling by Wyoming District Court Judge Clarence Brimmer commands the parks to boost the daily snowmobile limit up to 720 in Yellowstone and 140 in Teton until a new long-term plan is crafted.


Brimmer wrote that if the decision had been up to him, he would have allowed the parks’ rule of 540 and 65 daily snowmobiles to stand.


A coalition of environmental groups had challenged the Park Service’s rule in federal District Court in the District of Columbia, saying there were too many snowmobiles for the parks’ ecosystems to handle.


In mid-September, Sullivan agreed with their concerns, finding that the number of oversnow vehicles would cause undue damage to air quality, soundscapes and wildlife.


Meanwhile, the state of Wyoming and Park County had similarly challenged the plan in Wyoming’s Federal District Court — arguing conversely that there were too few snowmobiles allowed.


Brimmer wrote he would have left the plans alone. However, because Sullivan’s decision on the winter plans came first, he said he needed to defer to Sullivan’s judgement.


That didn’t mean the Wyoming judge agreed.


“The livelihood of many residents depends upon the rules promulgated and effected by the NPS. Justice would seem to require, therefore, that a court sitting in the same state that these parks are located be given the opportunity to decide a case of this magnitude. This court, however, was not given that opportunity,” he wrote.


Therefore, Sullivan’s decision to void Yellowstone and Grand Teton’s winter use plans is unaffected.


With those plans thrown out, the Park Service is forced to revert to a temporary 2004 rule. That rule contained a sunset clause, kicking snowmobiles out of the Park after the 2007-2008 winter season.


Brimmer ordered that the temporary rule be re-instated — without the sunset clause. That effectively puts in place a daily limit of 720 snowmobiles in Yellowstone with 140 in Grand Teton.


“This will provide businesses and tourists with the certainty that is needed in this confusing litigation,” he wrote.


The decision was apparently written before Yellowstone released its temporary snowmobile plan on Nov. 5 for the coming winter season, but finalized after its release.


“At this juncture, the court finds it unlikely that the (National Park Service) will have the ability to promulgate and put into effect a rule for this winter season,” says the decision, signed Nov. 7.
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I don't follow the article. At any rate I think the park should be guided. The times I was in the park the 45 mph speedlimit was not followed by all, tons of wildlife on the trails, i.e Buffalo, so I think the park should be enjoyed by all but kept a well organized area. Oh, Old Faithful was late on erupting also. LOL
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"A coalition of environmental groups had challenged the Park Service’s rule in federal District Court in the District of Columbia, saying there were too many snowmobiles for the parks’ ecosystems to handle."

Where is their "Science" comming from? It seems all they need is to do is make accusations and that is enough for the DC Court to ban snowmobiles in the park. From the article it looks like they circumvented the State court by going directly to the Fed. Did they suspect the State would have sided with the Park? The Federal Judge that made the decision should have kicked it back to the State before even hearing it.

So what I'm saying is, "There are too many Enviromental Groups so they should be banned from the US."

My science to back that up is the cost the taxpayers have to spend defending ligitimate uses of the country's resources.

Anybody know a Federal Judge without an agenda I can call?
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^^^Oh there are plenty of Federal Judges with an agenda! Trouble is, their agenda is the same as people's in Uptown Minneapolis, San Francisco, and Manhattan; not yours or any other sane person's.
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If you check their facts, the data that they use is from the early 70's.
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I guess whatever works to make their point.
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