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OK so the Turd is a 144. I have a new track on its way. I weigh in at 250ish. Engine is a 700, stock. Will be ported shortly, but to run at stock RPM - 8000-8200. Current chaincase and gears are useless, so I want to start fresh in there - I don't care if I top out at 85mph. My secondary helix is a 54-44-36/54-46-36 twin trax; I'd like to use this again if possible. I currently engage at 3750 or so, and run 8100ish.

Who has suggestions for both gearing and clutching?
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any ratio in your chain case that gets you to the 1.8-2.0 area will feel very strong. stock rpm is the 7800-8000 area. engagement at 4000 grand with a low chain case ratio will feel very nice and manuverable. not sure what helix or wieghts to run with that secondary.
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Per IBS: "I weigh in at 250ish". WTF Bryan, where did that come from, and when?? Just Fu**ing with yah!!
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58-38-.45/58-40-.45 helix with Red/Black spring (3 Delron washers installed on spring/carrier). Weights in 58 - 64 range with Almond round. Not sure on gearing, I'm assuming you want it setup for deep snow riding?
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I have a red with black stripe spring... not so good. Maybe my ramp angle is too steep? What exactly do the delron washers do? Yes, deep snow riding.

P1Man - weight affects gearing and clutching.

Jon - I'm good with my primary, I like the 3750. I want to say I have an almond round and 62's in it.

OK Now who has what parts for me?
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Almond and 10-62 is where I'm at right now. Washers help prvent binding on secondary spring. I ran a 58-42 .36 ER off a Pro-X last trip out, lots better but still not right. I've got secondary apart right now going thru everything on it. Installing the helix I listed above and going back this weekend to try it again. Should be close with this setup, close enough to correct with weight change if need be.
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I just installed the one delron washer on my buddies 900 Fusion set up, Vert, I think you have two too many!!
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the team doesnt respond to small helix changes like a button clutch, and since they are using such huge blocks of wood as springs you need them bigger helix's to get it to shift. 55-65 degrees isnt to big on a team.
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I found this in a sig on snowest:

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2003 Polaris 700 XC SP VES 144x2x15 camo challenger, Edge RMK suspension with 3 1/4" timber sled drops, 8" big wheel kit, Yellow Hiperfax, PERC (Team TSS-98 secondary) 62-42.46ER Helix, 19/42 gearing, Powder Pro Skis, 6 inch pivot riser, Anti-ratchet 9 tooth drivers, Anti stab rail kit, Boss Seat, SLP cheater heads, SLP single pipe/MBRP trail can, SLP air horn, 2 flow-rites, VForce-3 reeds
Pretty damn close to where I am/want to be. 19/42 seems a bit extreme at 2.2. I also won't have the SLP stuff done or the reeds.

How about 20/40 gearing, 58-40-.45 helix, and which spring? Should I perform the AAEN mod and drill 2 holes in my 2ndary so I can run regular Poo button springs?
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I just installed the one delron washer, Vert, I think you have two too many!!
According to Curt, washers (3) does 2 things, limits binding points, and adds slightly more preload to spring.
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Any opinion on my planned setup?
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Sounds pretty close.
It should be a good starting place any way. There will more than likely be some tuning from there.
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SD Any ideas on a spring in that secondary?
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If you're going riding in deep POW at elevation, I'd go back with new Red/Black. Both mine have it and work well out here .....
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OK so I'll keep it for the mountains, but what about in the Yoop?
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19/40 or even 19/41 worked great in my RMK last year, pulled hard all the way up to about 85mph and got there quick!
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What was your secondary setup Power?
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Button with an R8 and silver blue spring
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After talking to Madcow, we decided to keep my helix, and bump to a 160/280 secondary spring, and possibly go to 64 weights in the primary.
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SD Any ideas on a spring in that secondary?
I just looked back at this thread.
Ya, I like the red/black for mountain riding
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19/40 or even 19/41 worked great in my RMK last year, pulled hard all the way up to about 85mph and got there quick!
In my parts buying spree I have a 40 and a 42 on the way, to go with my 21 top. Your machine didn't like trails at all, and sometimes, you need to ride them in the Yoop.
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The suspension set-up is why it didn't like trails, every time I'd take a corner the thing would practically roll over. The clutching and gearing was just fine on the trail. Wouldn't go over 85mph but I was fine with that
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When you're 10" off the ground, 85mph is plenty
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