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The news that the U.S. has become a two-class society — i.e., half of Americans pay federal income taxes and half don't — has bounced around the media and shocked Americans. Most people had no knowledge of this appalling economic fact.

Even worse is the reality that 40% of Americans receive federal government handouts of cash and valuable benefits. Those handouts are financed by the people who do pay federal income taxes.

Those handouts create a big bloc of people who depend on the government for their living expenses. The Tax Foundation reports that 20% of Americans get 75% of their income from the federal government and another 20% get 45% of their income from the government.

Obama's stimulus law will add nearly $800 billion in new means-tested welfare spending over the next decade. That means $22,500 for every poor person in the U.S., which will cost over $10,000 for each family that pays federal income taxes.

According to the Tax Foundation, married taxpayers pay three-fourths of all federal income taxes, whereas two-thirds of single parents who file as head of household pay no income tax at all. According to a Heritage Foundation report, taxpayers (mostly those who are married) will spend more than $300 billion providing welfare aid to single parents (mostly women).

The pundits like to divide Republicans into two classes, the fiscal conservatives and the so-called social conservatives, and pretend their interests are different and mutually exclusive. In fact, the overwhelming reason for big government's extravagant spending, which is properly railed against by limited-government conservatives, is the breakdown in our culture, which social conservatives have been battling for years.

If limited-government conservatives are dreaming of taking back America for fiscal sanity in the November elections, they should study how the unprecedented decline in marriage and the increase in illegitimacy are the major causes of our bloated government and gigantic welfare spending.

In 2008, 40.6% of children born in the U.S. were born outside of marriage; that's 1,720,000 children. This is not, as the media try to tell us, a teenage problem. Only 7% of those illegitimate babies were born to girls under age 18, and over three-fourths were born to women over 20. The problem is the collapse of marriage as the social institution responsible for the costs of child care.

The fiscal conservative faction of the Republican Party should also study why Republicans won their big congressional majority in 1994 and what has happened since. The Democratic Party's welfare boondoggle was a major reason for the GOP victory.

The wrong-headed welfare system started in the 1960s with Lyndon Johnson's Great Society and his proclaimed war against poverty. The system should have been called the war against marriage.

LBJ's Great Society set up a grossly immoral system whereby millions of people were taught they had an "entitlement" to pick the pockets of law-abiding, taxpaying families if they met two conditions: They didn't work, and they were not married to someone who did work. This destroyed the work ethic and subsidized illegitimacy by giving single moms money and scores of benefits, such as welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, housing, utilities, WIC and commodities.

LBJ's welfare system undermined marriage and greatly increased all the social problems that flow from fatherless homes, such as drugs, sex, suicide, runaways and school dropouts. The feminists rejoiced because all the cash went to women, thereby deconstructing what they called the oppressive patriarchy, and the liberals rejoiced because these handouts required more bureaucrats and higher taxes.

True to their Contract With America, the Republican Congress passed welfare reform in 1996. It was even signed by President Clinton, who admitted it was time to "end welfare as we know it."

The goal of Republican welfare reform was to help families move to employment and self-sufficiency and end long-term dependence on government assistance. This policy was repealed by Obama's stimulus, which will add more families to welfare dependency by paying bonuses to states that increase their welfare caseloads.

Obama's real goal is a permanent expansion of the welfare system. Nothing promotes that goal as much as discouraging marriage and providing financial incentives to increase the number of single moms.

Single moms have become a fast-growing demographic group that demands a growing welfare industry. They look to Big Brother government (aka the administration) as a provider and the solution to their problems. Even Obama's health control law contains a subsidy of thousands of dollars a year to unmarried couples and a penalty if they get married. That's the goal of the Obama liberals: a society dependent on the government
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I always thought welfare was paid out by states and not the feds.....HMMM
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As soon as my kids are through college, I am quiting everything, moving to the UP, and becoming a ward of the state. A roof over my head, food in the frig, and free health care. Why in the hell work? Work a cash job on the side for sled money. I may have found utopia.
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Hey rock, i thought the same. A friend, dont remember where he found it, showed me that the states welfare system is financed threw the feds. It was a shock for me also. Im not against a hand up, i just dont like the hand out thing. If they dont wanna work. Ive got a solution, have them pick up garbage along the highway. That might motivate them to get a job or go to school and get a job then. Makes sence to me.
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Don't mind helping people out that need help for a bit until they get back on their feet. The only requirement is they have to piss in a bottle and wait for the results before they get their check. That alone will drop the welfare quit a bit.
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Hey rock, i thought the same. A friend, dont remember where he found it, showed me that the states welfare system is financed threw the feds. It was a shock for me also. Im not against a hand up, i just dont like the hand out thing. If they dont wanna work. Ive got a solution, have them pick up garbage along the highway. That might motivate them to get a job or go to school and get a job then. Makes sence to me.
I agree with the hand up thing, and once they get on welfare they shouldnt be allowed to supplement their income by having more kids they cant afford.

They should have limits also, like 5 years and out.Get a job and quit being a burden on society!

I should of posted the article here,but I didnt.There was a story about a woman in Florida that had 12 kids living on welfare who was evicted from her apt. for trashing the place and said.....Get this.....Society owed her money for the wrong they bestowed on her and her family and that she doesnt have to work because her kids are her job!!!!!!WTF?

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Mother, 12 children leave motel for new home




TAMPA - The din of room 168 at the Economy Inn on East Busch Boulevard occasionally drowned out conversation.

Twelve children ranging from teenagers to toddlers to infants spent the past week here, scrambling across the floor, bouncing on beds. With eyes filled with resignation on Wednesday morning, they were hungry and dirty and they wore the same clothes as the day before and the day before that.

Angel Adams, the mom, was asking for help, as the children rambled about the room. She was homeless and hopeless, she said. A relative paid for the motel room for a week, and after that, who knows. Her fiancé is in prison. Her 1-year-old is named John The Baptist Brown.

With measured indignation, Adams said somebody owes her.

By the end of the day, help had arrived.

Nick Cox, regional director of the Florida Department of Children and Families, paid Adams a visit and, standing outside the motel room with all 12 children present, offered a solution. He said there was room at A Kid's Place in Brandon, a cottage large enough to house a family of 12. Wary of the offer, Adams agreed.

The lifelong Tampa resident said she wants justice from the Hillsborough County sheriff's child protection team that took her kids away from her two years ago and from Hillsborough Kids Inc., which got her kids back six months ago.

"What do I do?" she said earlier in the day. "I have no answers. My family has been railroaded. Someone needs to pay.WTF

"Nobody's helping me."

She remained distrustful of the system, she said. It was a system that despite all good intentions landed her in the motel, in this fix, in the first place.

Others would disagree, saying Adams is the cause of her own problems.

This morning, inside the dingy motel room, Adams handed out a list of her children's names and ages. Across the top: "Three fathers. One Mother. Fifteen Children."

Ten of the children, she said, were fathered by Garry Brown, currently serving a five-year prison term for dealing cocaine. A sampling of his kids' names: Garry Nesha, Garry Brown Jr., Garry Lethia, Garryiell and Garry Rick.

Cuban sandwiches and packaged noodles were donated during the motel stay. In the room, a microwave sat on top of a mini refrigerator. No stove. One sink, one toilet, one shower. Everyone walked barefoot over a grimy stained green carpet.

The smell of dirty diapers filled the room. Jerome, 11, gave Andrew, 6 months, a bottle. "This is not comfortable," Jerome said.

The baby coughed and spit up on Jerome's hand. He didn't flinch and patted the baby on the back.

"The girls sleep on one bed," Adams said. "The boys sleep on the other. I just crash on the floor."

The 12 kids are the youngest of 15 altogether, she said. Three have "aged out," meaning they have turned 18 and are on their own, no longer a part of the child welfare system.

"I can have as many as I want to," she said. All her kids, she added, "are gifts from God."

The 37-year-old mother doesn't work. "This is my work," she said gesturing toward the bunch. "I do this all by myself. I don't know what I'm going to do. This is a revolving door going nowhere."

She said her problems began two years ago when Brown was arrested and the money dried up. Right after that her children were taken away and put into foster care over allegations of neglect, she said.

Hillsborough Kids stepped in and took the case, eventually returning the children to her and Brown. Before Christmas, the couple took a two-bedroom apartment off North Boulevard near Columbus Drive.

Hillsborough Kids agreed to pay the $800 a month rent after caseworkers inspected the apartment and, though a bit cramped, said it was OK.

But the landlord, who evicted Adams in March, thought differently.

Sandy Chiellini said Adams showed up to sign the lease with Brown and one child. She didn't learn until later that there were 11 other children. There were problems with plumbing, downstairs tenants were flooded. There was noise, and occasional visits from police. Other tenants were complaining. Some left.

She said Adams' apartment was trashed. Clothes and food were scattered everywhere, screens were broken out. Chiellini began eviction proceedings. Adams failed to show up for two eviction hearings.

Chiellini said Adams and her children left last Thursday, taking only the clothes on their backs.

Cox said that opinions about Adams aside, the children are the main concern. He said clearly she loves the kids and they love her and the department does not want to split the family.

Lodging at A Kid's Place is temporary and department caseworkers will have to figure out how to place the Adams family in a permanent home. That's down the road, he said. For now, at least they are out of the hotel room.

"My children fear DCF," Adams told Cox outside the motel room Wednesday afternoon. "I do too."
"I want to make sure right now you and your kids are not living in a hotel room," he responded.

Still, Adams was hesitant. She wanted to know about the long term.

"I need money," she said. "I need transportation. My children need a place to live."

Hillsborough Kids spokesman Elaine Olszewski said her agency has been working with Adams for months and there is a system of support at work behind the scenes.

Case managers have been in constant contact with Adams, Olszewski said.

Typically, single moms in similar situations have frequent visits by case workers, who work with charities in the community and coordinate grant money to pay for services.

"It's on a case-by-case basis," she said. "It's not that we would financially support them, but we are connected to community partners that provide assistance."

The goal when children are removed from the home is to get them back with biological parents, she said, and caseworkers try to work to that end.

"Children always are better with their biological parents," she said. "Once we determine they are safe and everything is appropriate, there's a six-month period when they still are technically in the system. We continue to monitor the kids."

She said all the children of school age are enrolled and going to school, although Adams said they have not attended classes since she took up residence in the hotel. She said she can't get them to school.

"There's a lot of support out there," Olszewski said, "and we kind of direct them. She has the support from the community, churches and family members."
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they will cut any aid you get in higher proportions then you earn also. earn $100- and lose $300- they make it so you can not work a min wage job as you lose daycare and health benefits and food stamps for your efforts. went through it 25 years ago when I went on vacation and came home broke and found I was laid off. had 2 kids at the time. I went back to school and worked part time. If they gave a pass on some earnings and then cut an equal portion so you could gain something by working. I knew a few single moms that wanted to work, get out of the house and be around some adult conversation, but could not afford to.
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Yep add to that unemployment benefits just got extended by this admin to 90 weeks....

This is the gray area for me on social programs.... I think there SHOULD be a safety net system that provides help and assistance with REQUIREMENTS!!!

I think the "Free Ride" should be limited to 30 days max!
after the 30 days the requirements in my opinion are:

1: Mandatory drug testing weekly--> fail NO check
2: Must either enroll in an education program with internship
or
Work program... basically an indentured servitude. ---> don't NO check

this way at least 1 of three outcomes will occur.

1. they will find a job on their own
2. get an education that enables them to get a job
3. work in a manner that us the taxpayer is getting a value for "our money"

The process of the last 50 years of politics has given us generational welfare rats.


this entitlement shit is an insult to every hard working American.
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Holy cow, we are all in agreement on something hahaha, whod a thunk it. That story rock, had me "rockn and vibrating" i was so disgusted and pissed off. I knew stupid bitches like that in Fl,Il and Ia. Its a result of many variable, i knew some women that came from good homes that turned out rotten cause dope, but most came from welfare moms to begin with. If a woman was on welfare and kept her home spotless, she got more ridicule from socail workers that if she left it a pig stie. What the fuck is that all about. Start my taking pride in where on lives and it will start to spill over in all over areas of ones life.
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follow up on the cunt with 12 kids....


Simple thank you would suffice

By John Barry, Times Staff Writer

Published Monday, April 26, 2010

TAMPA — A courtroom full of people who paid off Angel Yulee Adams' debts and found a rent-free, six-bedroom home for her and a dozen of her children waited Monday morning for a sign of gratitude, a clue of cooperation. They waited for a thank you.

They didn't get it. Angel Adams, 37, said she was glad to have the home. But she wanted them all out of her life.

"I've been railroaded since day one," she said.

The state says day one was 21 months and 28 hearings ago, when Adams first landed in the courtroom of Hillsborough Circuit Judge Tracy Sheehan. Ever since then, Sheehan said, the state has tried to keep Adams and her children together.

But Adams lost her home after failing to pay rent to the Tampa Housing Authority, then recently was evicted from a two-bedroom rental apartment. All her things were dumped on the curb. She and 12 children wound up in a small motel room on E Busch Boulevard.

Her situation looked a lot better on Monday, thanks to the combined efforts of the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office, the state Department of Children and Families, Hillsborough Kids Inc., the Children's Home Society and A Kid's Place — which last week gave her a temporary cottage at its shelter near Brandon.

Officials from most of those agencies packed the judge's courtroom Monday to give a status report. Nick Cox, DCF's regional director, spoke for them.

"Everyone has bent over backward," he said. "The mother has been less than gracious."

Hillsborough Kids volunteered to help cover the more than $6,000 she owes to the Tampa Housing Authority. The Children's Home Society paid the first month's rent for the six-bedroom house and found furnishings. Her rent, adjusted for income and the size of her family, will be virtually nothing, Cox said. He couldn't estimate how much the state has spent on her in the past two years.

The 12 children have been out of school for more than a week, but Cox said Adams appears to be a loving mother. She still could lose her children, he said, if she doesn't work with caseworkers and show the state she is adequately caring for them.

"From a legal standpoint, she's backing us into a corner," Cox said. He asked the judge to tell Adams to "stop complaining and start cooperating."

Judge Sheehan gave her a lecture.

Adams would not have sat through 28 hearings if her kids had been fed, got their medicines and were living in a good home, the judge said. "We know you want us out of your life," she told Adams. "We will be thrilled to close this case when you have all these things."

Adams sat at a table just below the judge's bench, looking away from Sheehan.

"A lot of people have gone way extra miles for you," Sheehan said. "Do you understand that?"

Adams replied quietly, "No comment, your honor."

"Hear what I'm saying," the judge told her. "Reach out your hand to these people instead of looking a gift horse in the mouth and asking for more, more, more."

After the hearing, Adams said she's a proud Florida native, a descendent of David Levy Yulee, a former U.S. senator and plantation owner who built the Yulee Railroad line in North Florida in the mid 1800s and was later imprisoned for aiding the Confederacy. She once worked in a linen factory. She has three other older children, besides the 12 who live with her.

She said her misfortunes began when she scuffled with a sheriff's deputy two years ago. It happened when her 9-year-old son was suspended for bringing a knife to school. She was two months pregnant. After her arrest, she said her troubles snowballed.

The Hillsborough Sheriff's Office removed her children after finding neglect in the home. She got her kids back six months ago, but the father of 10 of them, Garry Brown, was sentenced to five years for a cocaine conviction. Without his help, she said, she fell into debt. Hillsborough Kids paid the rent for her last apartment.

Adams said she wasn't planning on more children, but "whatever God wants to happen is okay with me."

Outside the courtroom, across the hall, Cox said DCF believes in keeping families together. That's the agency's main mission.

"She is the ultimate test of our belief."
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found this...http://mankato.craigslist.org/rnr/1756438141.html

I'm on food stamps and guess what? I buy candy, and pop, and doughnuts alllllllllll the time. hahaha. And I have my nails done. And tonight, I'm going out to see a movie. And YOU pay for it! Yay for me. Sucks for you.


As for the people getting mad about it, it's funny that just because I'm on food stamps I shouldn't be allowed to drink pop, or eat candy or see movies. And even funnier that it pisses you off that I do. Just because I'm on food stamps does not mean I'm dead. I still need entertainment just as much as anyone else, and if you don't like it? Well, you pay for it anyway, don't ya?
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Just Highlights had bad the system is. Was a bad idea when it started and through decades of incompetent politicians it has only gotten worse.

Needs minimum requirements need to be implemented and enforced.
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I have so much to say, that if I get started this would 4 pages long. So I'll keep it short; the Welfare system is fuct.
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Blue, that's in your email. You need to download it to your desktop and upload it to the site. The pic will never show up as the site doesn't have access to your email.
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I know. I could not get it to down load.

Short version of the article.
Mexicans boycotted white owned stores. Stores lost 19%. it was a success for the mexs!

the store owners also noticed shoplifting down 77%, out of country money orders down 97%. litter outside the store down 84% and you could hear English being spoken in the store.
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I know. I could not get it to down load.

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Mexicans boycotted white owned stores. Stores lost 19%. it was a success for the mexs!

the store owners also noticed shoplifting down 77%, out of country money orders down 97%. litter outside the store down 84% and you could hear English being spoken in the store.
Do you have a link to the story?
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Fucking disgusting.......and I bet she wonders why blacks are stereo typed as lazy fucking scum bags!
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I bet she can't even put that much effort into a cognitive thought....
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