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Less than a month after the repubs won the house.....the spending spree begins!

Rand Paul Suggests He'll Fight For Earmarks He Earlier Promised To Ban
Less than a week after his election, Kentucky's Senator-elect Rand Paul already appears to be making a rapid departure away from one of his campaign promises: an earmark ban that stood as a conservative cornerstone, a position Paul touted to indicate he was serious about tackling the reckless spending practices of Washington.

Here's what Paul told the Wall Street Journal over the weekend:

In a bigger shift from his campaign pledge to end earmarks, he tells me that they are a bad "symbol" of easy spending but that he will fight for Kentucky's share of earmarks and federal pork, as long as it's doled out transparently at the committee level and not parachuted in in the dead of night. "I will advocate for Kentucky's interests," he says.

Such statements would have seemed impossible back in March. Here's Paul's clear-cut pledge to tackle the "corrupting" carve-outs of federal money:

Rand Paul has made a ban on wasteful earmark spending in Washington D.C. one of the key points of his campaign. He has supported Sen. Jim DeMint's vocal support for an earmark ban and he supports news that House Democrats are even coming around on the idea of a partial ban.

The National Review noticed this vacillation Monday and wondered:

Is he selling out already? I am fully aware that the issue of earmarks is a very symbolic one. Getting rid of earmarks won't save us from the current debt explosion, nor is it likely to end the spending; it will just leave the decision in the hands of the agencies rather than selected lawmakers. Still, I could imagine that when a legislator submits his earmark request, the appropriations committee, at least sometimes, increases the overall budget for the agency by the amount of the earmark.
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This is why we need to get rid of career politicians
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if they do spend money in a bad way they will be voted out.
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Ummm... don't quote me, but I don't think the new House is seated yet. Nice work having a quote from National Review, Rock. I never thought I'd see the day!
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we as the people have had enough of the political bull shit and once people stray from there campaign promises we wont let it stand and we will have them out of office in no time. So if he wants to try this as well as other newly elected politicians go ahead because they wont last long.
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Ummm... don't quote me, but I don't think the new House is seated yet. Nice work having a quote from National Review, Rock. I never thought I'd see the day!
who cares if the new house is seated? guess its hard to see the hypocrisy with them thick rose colored glasses.

Wasn't this the douche that got the seal of approval from non other than "Mama Grizzly"? Another flip-flopper on earmarks.
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I don't care too much about earmarks, but it is important to understand that once committee budgets are set, earmars are identified within the budget. So, formula funding suffers because of earmarks, but earmarks do not create additional spending. I sort of like the idea of earmarks as a political tool. To the victors go the spoils Doesn't bode well for conservatives in MN, but capital construction isn't partisan.
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Earmarks are not as politically easy as a YES/NO and often misunderstood by the general public .... If you eliminate all earmarks then effectively Congress just wrote a blank check to the President to send money where he wants.... Some common "Earmarks".... Highway maintenance, State Police, Highway construction, National park funds... etc...

What needs eliminated is personal or political party favors w/ our money...
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Even though they have the advantage of forcing money to be spent a certain way they have the disadvantage of attracting yes votes to run away spending bills and who now controls congress?
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No argument there... There lies the rub and Catch 22...
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HA.....another flip-flopper!LMFAO

Top GOP senator flips on proposal to ban earmarks WASHINGTON – In a major victory for tea party activists, the top Republican in the Senate on Monday reversed course and endorsed a moratorium on pork-barrel projects known as "earmarks." Earmarking is the longtime Washington practice in which lawmakers insert money for home-state projects like road and bridge work into spending bills.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said he's heeding the message that voters sent in midterm elections that swept Democrats from power in the House. He says he can't accuse Democrats of failing to ignore the wishes of the American people and then be guilty of the same thing.

McConnell's move heads off a battle with conservative Republican senators who had signaled they would force a vote Tuesday on banning the practice. House GOP leaders have already endorsed a ban on earmarking.

"Nearly every day that the Senate's been in session for the past two years, I have come down to this spot and said that Democrats are ignoring the wishes of the American people," McConnell said in a surprise announcement in a Senate floor speech. "When it comes to earmarks, I won't be guilty of the same thing."

McConnell, a 26-year veteran of the Senate and longtime member of the Appropriations Committee, had been a strong defender of earmarking, even in a recent speech and a Sunday morning talk show appearance. Then, he had argued that earmarks shift too much power to President Barack Obama and wouldn't save taxpayers any money.

"I know the good that has come from the projects I have helped support throughout my state. I don't apologize for them," McConnell said. "But there is simply no doubt that the abuse of this practice has caused Americans to view it as a symbol of the waste and the out-of-control spending that every Republican in Washington is determined to fight."

Just hours before McConnell spoke, Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., promoted the ban in remarks to tea party activists at a Capitol rally.

"Tomorrow, the Republicans in the Senate are going to start answering that question: Have we learned our lesson? Are we going to go a different way?" DeMint said. "If the Senate Republicans fail to pass a ban on earmarks tomorrow, obviously they have not gotten the message."


Holy fuck,...it couldnt get any better if I made it up myself!
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Holy fuck,...it couldnt get any better if I made it up myself!

How can you say it's getting better? Pretty much everyone in washington is full of shit.
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So what the guy is saying is that because of voter sentiment, he is now supporting a ban on earmarks? Isn't that what a representative government is supposed to do? Change their minds when their constituents no longer support how something in Washington is being done. I guess he could do his job like what's been happening the last two years: forcing through legislation that 60 to 70% of the voters oppose!
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Just out to save his own ass......couldnt give a shit about anything else.

McConell is a scum bag politicain and he needs to go!
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ear marks like what obestar has done for the last 40 years is a joke. paving bike paths?

if a state needs fed money isnt that the job of the governer with help from senators of his state to submit a proposal to the feds? of all the ear mark money obestar brought home what good did it do? how many long term jobs does earmark spending create?

washington needs to be leveled and built back up from the ground. literally.
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ear marks like what obestar has done for the last 40 years is a joke. paving bike paths?
Oh, that cock suckin, mother @*&^ damn prick!

All the greenies yell and scream that snowmobile trails harm the environment. Then Obserstar comes in and uses gas tax dollars to pave a 10' wide trail half way up the shoreline from Gooseberry, installing several bridges, yet snowmobile trails ruin the environment....
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think of the poisens that asphalt must have put into the ground. all the fuel grading the dirt, putting down the apshalt.
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Stop the politics, solve the real problem
Earmarks make up 1/2 of 1 percent of the Federal budget. Earmarks have NOTHING to do with the budget problem in the U.S. Sure, earmarks make a good campaign sound bite. But wake up GOP, the 2010 campaign is over and you won. Now you better start some real work or you will lose badly in 2012. The only real solution the the US budget is to cut spending in the core parts of the U.S. budget, that means cut and reform military, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security -- that is where 90% of Federal spending takes place. You will never solve the budget without addressing those costs. AND, at the same time, you must increase revenue. Yes, increase taxes on those able to pay it -- the top 5% of Americans who wealth has grown over 400% since 1990.
Cutting real government spending AND raising taxes is the only way to dig out from our hole. If the GOP won't admit it, they will lose in 2012.
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why does increase taxes increase revinew? heard to many economists say otherwise with examples from our past.

if it were up to me, anything after roads, bridges, damns, sewer,water defense would be cut 100% in broad speaking terms.

if it were up to me all countrys that we are acting as a police force in, would be sent a bill.

you are so right rock, ALL the freshmen elect better tell the old dogs to shut up they dont want to hear how they need to act.

"we are interupting this broadcast to bring you the latest news. washington has been destroyed and many of the politicians with it"

to harsh? ok,

learn to speak chinsease in the meantime.
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