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Default MN Gun control

This gun control bill just went through 3 days of hearings here in Minnesota. It looks to be very much like New Yorks new gun laws that were just passed.




H.F. No. 241, as introduced - 88th Legislative Session (2013-2014) Posted on Jan 31, 2013

1.1A bill for an act
1.2 relating to public safety; establishing a crime for manufacturing, transferring, or
1.3possessing certain assault weapons; providing for the disposal or registration of
1.4existing assault weapons; defining terms; classifying data; clarifying language;
1.5providing criminal penalties;amending Minnesota Statutes 2012, sections
1.613.87, subdivision 2; 624.712, subdivision 7, by adding subdivisions; 624.713;
1.7proposing coding for new law in Minnesota Statutes, chapter 624.
1.8BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA:

1.9 Section 1. Minnesota Statutes 2012, section 13.87, subdivision 2, is amended to read:
1.10 Subd. 2. Firearms data. All data pertaining to the purchase or transfer of firearms,
1.11the possession of assault weapons, and applications for permits to carry firearms which
1.12 that are collected by government entities pursuant to sections 624.712 to 624.719 are
1.13private, pursuant to section 13.02, subdivision 12 data on individuals.
1.14EFFECTIVE DATE.This section is effective September 1, 2013.

1.15 Sec. 2. Minnesota Statutes 2012, section 624.712, subdivision 7, is amended to read:
1.16 Subd. 7. Semiautomatic military-style Assault weapon. "Semiautomatic
1.17military-style Assault weapon" means any:
1.18(1) any of the following firearms:
1.19(i) Avtomat Kalashnikov (AK-47) semiautomatic rifle type;
1.20(ii) Beretta AR-70 and BM-59 semiautomatic rifle types;
1.21(iii) Colt AR-15 semiautomatic rifle type;
1.22(iv) Daewoo Max-1 and Max-2 semiautomatic rifle types;
1.23(v) Famas MAS semiautomatic rifle type;
1.24(vi) Fabrique Nationale FN-LAR and FN-FNC semiautomatic rifle types;
2.1(vii) Galil semiautomatic rifle type;
2.2(viii) Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, and HK-94 semiautomatic rifle types;
2.3(ix) Ingram MAC-10 and MAC-11 semiautomatic pistol and carbine types;
2.4(x) Intratec TEC-9 semiautomatic pistol type;
2.5(xi) Sigarms SIG 550SP and SIG 551SP semiautomatic rifle types;
2.6(xii) SKS with detachable magazine semiautomatic rifle type;
2.7(xiii) Steyr AUG semiautomatic rifle type;
2.8(xiv) Street Sweeper and Striker-12 revolving-cylinder shotgun types;
2.9(xv) USAS-12 semiautomatic shotgun type;
2.10(xvi) Uzi semiautomatic pistol and carbine types; or
2.11(xvii) Valmet M76 and M78 semiautomatic rifle types;
2.12(2) any firearm that is another model made by the same manufacturer as one of the
2.13firearms listed in clause (1), and has the same action design as one of the listed firearms,
2.14and is a redesigned, renamed, or renumbered version of one of the firearms listed in clause
2.15(1), or has a slight modification or enhancement, including but not limited to a folding or
2.16retractable stock; adjustable sight; case deflector for left-handed shooters; shorter barrel;
2.17wooden, plastic, or metal stock; larger clip size; different caliber; or a bayonet mount; and
2.18(3) any firearm that has been manufactured or sold by another company under a
2.19licensing agreement with a manufacturer of one of the firearms listed in clause (1) entered
2.20into after the effective date of Laws 1993, chapter 326, to manufacture or sell firearms that
2.21are identical or nearly identical to those listed in clause (1), or described in clause (2),
2.22regardless of the company of production or country of origin.
2.23The weapons listed in clause (1), except those listed in items (iii), (ix), (x), (xiv),
2.24and (xv), are the weapons the importation of which was barred by the Bureau of Alcohol,
2.25Tobacco, and Firearms of the United States Department of the Treasury in July 1989.
2.26Except as otherwise specifically provided in paragraph (d), a firearm is not a
2.27"semiautomatic military-style assault weapon" if it is generally recognized as particularly
2.28suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes under United States Code, title 18,
2.29section 925, paragraph (d)(3), or any regulations adopted pursuant to that law.
2.30(1) semi-automatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and
2.31has one or more of the following:
2.32(i) a pistol grip or thumbhole stock;
2.33(ii) any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the
2.34nontrigger hand;
2.35(iii) a folding or telescoping stock; or
3.1(iv) a shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the
3.2barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being
3.3burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel;
3.4(2) semi-automatic pistol, or any semi-automatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle with a
3.5fixed magazine, that has the capacity to accept more than seven rounds of ammunition;
3.6(3) semi-automatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and
3.7has one or more of the following:
3.8(i) any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the
3.9nontrigger hand;
3.10(ii) a folding, telescoping, or thumbhole stock;
3.11(iii) a shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the
3.12barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being
3.13burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel; or
3.14(iv) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at any location outside of the
3.15pistol grip;
3.16(4) semi-automatic shotgun that has one or more of the following:
3.17(i) a pistol grip or thumbhole stock;
3.18(ii) any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the
3.19nontrigger hand;
3.20(iii) a folding or telescoping stock;
3.21(iv) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of seven rounds; or
3.22(v) an ability to accept a detachable magazine;
3.23(5) shotgun with a revolving cylinder; or
3.24(6) conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can
3.25be assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.
3.26The term does not include any firearm that has been made permanently inoperable.
3.27EFFECTIVE DATE.This section is effective September 1, 2013, and applies
3.28to crimes committed on or after that date.

3.29 Sec. 3. Minnesota Statutes 2012, section 624.712, is amended by adding a subdivision
3.30to read:
3.31 Subd. 12. Detachable magazine. "Detachable magazine" means an ammunition
3.32feeding device that can be loaded or unloaded while detached from a firearm and readily
3.33inserted into a firearm.
4.1EFFECTIVE DATE.This section is effective September 1, 2013, and applies
4.2to crimes committed on or after that date.

4.3 Sec. 4. Minnesota Statutes 2012, section 624.712, is amended by adding a subdivision
4.4to read:
4.5 Subd. 13. Fixed magazine. "Fixed magazine" means an ammunition feeding device
4.6contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot
4.7be removed without disassembly of the firearm action.
4.8EFFECTIVE DATE.This section is effective September 1, 2013, and applies
4.9to crimes committed on or after that date.

4.10 Sec. 5. Minnesota Statutes 2012, section 624.713, is amended to read:
4.11624.713 CERTAIN PERSONS NOT TO POSSESS FIREARMS.
4.12 Subdivision 1. Ineligible persons. The following persons shall not be entitled to
4.13possess a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon or, except for clause (1),
4.14any other firearm:
4.15(1) a person under the age of 18 years except that a person under 18 may carry or
4.16possess a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon: (i) in the actual presence
4.17or under the direct supervision of the person's parent or guardian, (ii) for the purpose
4.18of military drill under the auspices of a legally recognized military organization and
4.19under competent supervision, (iii) for the purpose of instruction, competition, or target
4.20practice on a firing range approved by the chief of police or county sheriff in whose
4.21jurisdiction the range is located and under direct supervision; or (iv) if the person has
4.22successfully completed a course designed to teach marksmanship and safety with a pistol
4.23or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon and approved by the commissioner of
4.24natural resources;
4.25(2) except as otherwise provided in clause (9), a person who has been convicted of,
4.26or adjudicated delinquent or convicted as an extended jurisdiction juvenile for committing,
4.27in this state or elsewhere, a crime of violence. For purposes of this section, crime of
4.28violence includes crimes in other states or jurisdictions which would have been crimes of
4.29violence as herein defined if they had been committed in this state;
4.30(3) a person who is or has ever been committed in Minnesota or elsewhere by a
4.31judicial determination that the person is mentally ill, developmentally disabled, or mentally
4.32ill and dangerous to the public, as defined in section 253B.02, to a treatment facility, or who
5.1has ever been found incompetent to stand trial or not guilty by reason of mental illness,
5.2unless the person's ability to possess a firearm has been restored under subdivision 4;
5.3(4) a person who has been convicted in Minnesota or elsewhere of a misdemeanor or
5.4gross misdemeanor violation of chapter 152, unless three years have elapsed since the
5.5date of conviction and, during that time, the person has not been convicted of any other
5.6such violation of chapter 152 or a similar law of another state; or a person who is or has
5.7ever been committed by a judicial determination for treatment for the habitual use of a
5.8controlled substance or marijuana, as defined in sections 152.01 and 152.02, unless the
5.9person's ability to possess a firearm has been restored under subdivision 4;
5.10(5) a person who has been committed to a treatment facility in Minnesota or
5.11elsewhere by a judicial determination that the person is chemically dependent as defined
5.12in section 253B.02, unless the person has completed treatment or the person's ability to
5.13possess a firearm has been restored under subdivision 4. Property rights may not be abated
5.14but access may be restricted by the courts;
5.15(6) a peace officer who is informally admitted to a treatment facility pursuant to
5.16section 253B.04 for chemical dependency, unless the officer possesses a certificate from
5.17the head of the treatment facility discharging or provisionally discharging the officer from
5.18the treatment facility. Property rights may not be abated but access may be restricted
5.19by the courts;
5.20(7) a person, including a person under the jurisdiction of the juvenile court, who
5.21has been charged with committing a crime of violence and has been placed in a pretrial
5.22diversion program by the court before disposition, until the person has completed the
5.23diversion program and the charge of committing the crime of violence has been dismissed;
5.24(8) except as otherwise provided in clause (9), a person who has been convicted in
5.25another state of committing an offense similar to the offense described in section 609.224,
5.26subdivision 3 , against a family or household member or section 609.2242, subdivision
5.273 , unless three years have elapsed since the date of conviction and, during that time, the
5.28person has not been convicted of any other violation of section 609.224, subdivision 3, or
5.29609.2242, subdivision 3 , or a similar law of another state;
5.30(9) a person who has been convicted in this state or elsewhere of assaulting a family
5.31or household member and who was found by the court to have used a firearm in any way
5.32during commission of the assault is prohibited from possessing any type of firearm for the
5.33period determined by the sentencing court;
5.34(10) a person who:
5.35(i) has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a
5.36term exceeding one year;
6.1(ii) is a fugitive from justice as a result of having fled from any state to avoid
6.2prosecution for a crime or to avoid giving testimony in any criminal proceeding;
6.3(iii) is an unlawful user of any controlled substance as defined in chapter 152;
6.4(iv) has been judicially committed to a treatment facility in Minnesota or elsewhere
6.5as a person who is mentally ill, developmentally disabled, or mentally ill and dangerous to
6.6the public, as defined in section 253B.02;
6.7(v) is an alien who is illegally or unlawfully in the United States;
6.8(vi) has been discharged from the armed forces of the United States under
6.9dishonorable conditions; or
6.10(vii) has renounced the person's citizenship having been a citizen of the United
6.11States; or
6.12(11) a person who has been convicted of the following offenses at the gross
6.13misdemeanor level, unless three years have elapsed since the date of conviction and, during
6.14that time, the person has not been convicted of any other violation of these sections: section
6.15609.229 (crimes committed for the benefit of a gang); 609.2231, subdivision 4 (assaults
6.16motivated by bias); 609.255 (false imprisonment); 609.378 (neglect or endangerment of a
6.17child); 609.582, subdivision 4 (burglary in the fourth degree); 609.665 (setting a spring
6.18gun); 609.71 (riot); or 609.749 (stalking). For purposes of this paragraph, the specified
6.19gross misdemeanor convictions include crimes committed in other states or jurisdictions
6.20which would have been gross misdemeanors if conviction occurred in this state.
6.21A person who issues a certificate pursuant to this section in good faith is not liable
6.22for damages resulting or arising from the actions or misconduct with a firearm committed
6.23by the individual who is the subject of the certificate.
6.24The prohibition in this subdivision relating to the possession of firearms other than
6.25pistols and semiautomatic military-style assault weapons does not apply retroactively
6.26to persons who are prohibited from possessing a pistol or semiautomatic military-style
6.27assault weapon under this subdivision before August 1, 1994.
6.28The lifetime prohibition on possessing, receiving, shipping, or transporting firearms
6.29for persons convicted or adjudicated delinquent of a crime of violence in clause (2),
6.30applies only to offenders who are discharged from sentence or court supervision for a
6.31crime of violence on or after August 1, 1993.
6.32For purposes of this section, "judicial determination" means a court proceeding
6.33pursuant to sections 253B.07 to 253B.09 or a comparable law from another state.
6.34 Subd. 1a. Ineligible to receive, ship, transport. A person presently charged with a
6.35crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year shall not be entitled to
7.1receive, ship, or transport any pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon. A
7.2violation of this subdivision is a gross misdemeanor.
7.3 Subd. 2. Penalties. (a) A person named in subdivision 1, clause (1), who possesses
7.4a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon is guilty of a felony and may
7.5be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than five years or to payment of a fine of
7.6not more than $10,000, or both.
7.7(b) A person named in subdivision 1, clause (2), who possesses any type of firearm
7.8 other than an assault weapon is guilty of a felony and may be sentenced to imprisonment
7.9for not more than 15 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $30,000, or both. This
7.10paragraph does not apply to any person who has received a relief of disability under
7.11United States Code, title 18, section 925, or whose ability to possess firearms has been
7.12restored under section 609.165, subdivision 1d.
7.13(c) A person named in any other clause of subdivision 1 who possesses any type of
7.14firearm other than an assault weapon is guilty of a gross misdemeanor.
7.15 Subd. 3. Notice. (a) When a person is convicted of, or adjudicated delinquent or
7.16convicted as an extended jurisdiction juvenile for committing, a crime of violence as
7.17defined in section 624.712, subdivision 5, the court shall inform the defendant that the
7.18defendant is prohibited from possessing a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault
7.19weapon firearm for the remainder of the person's lifetime, and that it is a felony offense to
7.20violate this prohibition. The failure of the court to provide this information to a defendant
7.21does not affect the applicability of the pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault
7.22weapon firearm possession prohibition or the felony penalty to that defendant.
7.23(b) When a person, including a person under the jurisdiction of the juvenile court,
7.24is charged with committing a crime of violence and is placed in a pretrial diversion
7.25program by the court before disposition, the court shall inform the defendant that: (1) the
7.26defendant is prohibited from possessing a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault
7.27weapon firearm until the person has completed the diversion program and the charge
7.28of committing a crime of violence has been dismissed; (2) it is a gross misdemeanor
7.29offense to violate this prohibition; and (3) if the defendant violates this condition of
7.30participation in the diversion program, the charge of committing a crime of violence may
7.31be prosecuted. The failure of the court to provide this information to a defendant does not
7.32affect the applicability of the pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon firearm
7.33 possession prohibition or the gross misdemeanor penalty to that defendant.
7.34 Subd. 4. Restoration of firearms eligibility to civilly committed person; petition
7.35authorized. (a) A person who is prohibited from possessing a firearm under subdivision
7.361, due to commitment resulting from a judicial determination that the person is mentally
8.1ill, developmentally disabled, mentally ill and dangerous, or chemically dependent, may
8.2petition a court to restore the person's ability to possess a firearm.
8.3(b) The court may grant the relief sought in paragraph (a) in accordance with
8.4the principles of due process if the circumstances regarding the person's disqualifying
8.5condition and the person's record and reputation are determined to be such that:
8.6(1) the person is not likely to act in a manner that is dangerous to public safety; and
8.7(2) the granting of relief would not be contrary to the public interest.
8.8(c) When determining whether a person has met the requirement of paragraph (b),
8.9clause (1), the court may consider evidence from a licensed medical doctor or clinical
8.10psychologist that the person is no longer suffering from the disease or condition that
8.11caused the disability or that the disease or condition has been successfully treated for a
8.12period of three consecutive years.
8.13(d) Review on appeal shall be de novo.
8.14EFFECTIVE DATE.This section is effective September 1, 2013, and applies
8.15to crimes committed on or after that date.

8.16 Sec. 6. [624.7133] ASSAULT WEAPONS PROHIBITED.
8.17 Subdivision 1. Definition. As used in this section, "transfer" means a sale, gift, loan,
8.18assignment, or other delivery to another, whether or not for consideration, of an assault
8.19weapon.
8.20 Subd. 2. Prohibition. It is unlawful for a person to manufacture, import, transfer, or
8.21possess an assault weapon.
8.22 Subd. 3. Exceptions. Subdivision 2 does not apply to:
8.23(1) the possession of an assault weapon that was lawfully possessed under both
8.24state and federal law before February 1, 2013, if the weapon is properly registered as
8.25provided in subdivision 5;
8.26(2) any government officer, agent, or employee; member of the armed forces of
8.27the United States; or peace officer, to the extent that the person is otherwise authorized
8.28to acquire or possess an assault weapon, and does so while acting within the scope of
8.29the person's duties;
8.30(3) the manufacture of an assault weapon by a firearms manufacturer for the
8.31purpose of sale to any branch of the armed forces of the United States, or to a law
8.32enforcement agency within Minnesota for use by that agency or its employees, provided
8.33the manufacturer is properly licensed under applicable laws; or
8.34(4) the transfer of an assault weapon by a dealer that is properly licensed under
8.35applicable laws to any branch of the armed forces of the United States, or to a law
9.1enforcement agency within Minnesota for use by that agency or its employees for law
9.2enforcement purposes.
9.3 Subd. 4. Penalty. (a) A person who violates subdivision 2 is guilty of a felony and
9.4may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than five years or to payment of a fine of
9.5not more than $25,000, or both.
9.6 (b) A person listed in section 624.713, subdivision 1, clauses (3) to (11), who
9.7violates subdivision 2 is guilty of a felony and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not
9.8more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $50,000, or both.
9.9 (c) A person listed in section 624.713, subdivision 1, clause (2), who violates
9.10subdivision 2 is guilty of a felony and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more
9.11than 20 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $100,000, or both.
9.12(d) The penalties described in this subdivision do not apply to persons who possess
9.13assault weapons and who are in full compliance with subdivision 5.
9.14 Subd. 5. Registration of assault weapons. (a) A person who legally owned or
9.15possessed an assault weapon before February 1, 2013, and who desires to keep ownership
9.16or possession of the weapon shall comply with the following requirements:
9.17(1) submit to a background check conducted by the chief of police of the
9.18municipality in which the person resides, or if there is no police department the sheriff
9.19of the county in which the person resides, to confirm the person is not prohibited from
9.20possessing a firearm under state or federal law; and
9.21(2) unless the person is currently prohibited by law from possessing a firearm,
9.22immediately register the weapon with the appropriate law enforcement agency.
9.23(b) A person described in paragraph (a) shall comply with all of the following:
9.24(1) safely and securely store the assault weapon pursuant to the regulations adopted
9.25by the appropriate law enforcement agency;
9.26(2) agree to allow the agency to inspect the storage of the weapon to ensure
9.27compliance with this subdivision;
9.28(3) annually renew the registration, subject to the completion of a new background
9.29check;
9.30(4) possess the weapon only on property owned or immediately controlled by the
9.31person, or while engaged in the legal use of the weapon at a duly licensed firing range, or
9.32while transporting the weapon in compliance with United States Code, title 18, section
9.33926A; and
9.34(5) report the loss or theft of the weapon to the appropriate law enforcement agency
9.35within 48 hours of the time the discovery of the loss or theft was made or should have
9.36been made.
10.1(c) Registered assault weapons may not be purchased or transferred, except for
10.2transfer to the appropriate law enforcement agency for the purpose of surrendering the
10.3weapon for destruction.
10.4(d) The registered owner or possessor of an assault weapon may not purchase
10.5additional assault weapons.
10.6(e) The appropriate law enforcement agency may charge a fee for each registration
10.7and registration renewal pursuant to this subdivision.
10.8(f) Persons acquiring an assault weapon by inheritance, bequest, or succession shall,
10.9within 120 days of acquiring title, do one of the following:
10.10(1) surrender the weapon to a law enforcement agency for destruction; or
10.11(2) modify the weapon to render it permanently inoperable.
10.12(g) Each chief of police and sheriff shall do the following regarding assault weapons
10.13registered under this subdivision:
10.14(1) adopt regulations specifying how a person who registers a weapon shall safely
10.15and securely store it when it is not being used;
10.16(2) implement a policy of inspecting the storage of weapons; and
10.17(3) conduct background checks and implement a registration system.
10.18EFFECTIVE DATE.This section is effective September 1, 2013, and applies
10.19to crimes committed on or after that date.

10.20 Sec. 7. PERSONS POSSESSING ASSAULT WEAPONS ON EFFECTIVE DATE
10.21OF ACT; REQUIRED ACTIONS.
10.22Any person who, on February 1, 2013, legally owns or is in possession of an assault
10.23weapon has until September 1, 2013, to do any of the following without being subject to
10.24prosecution under Minnesota Statutes, section 624.7133:
10.25(1) remove the weapon from the state;
10.26(2) surrender the weapon to a law enforcement agency for destruction;
10.27(3) render the weapon permanently inoperable; or
10.28(4) if eligible, register the weapon as provided in Minnesota Statutes, section
10.29624.7133, subdivision 5.
10.30EFFECTIVE DATE.This section is effective the day following final enactment.

10.31 Sec. 8. REVISOR'S INSTRUCTION.
10.32 The revisor of statutes shall strike references to "semiautomatic military-style assault
10.33weapons" in Minnesota Statutes, sections 609.66, subdivision 1f; 624.712, subdivision 6;
11.1624.7131, subdivisions 1, 4, and 10; 624.7132, subdivisions 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14,
11.2and 15; 624.7141, subdivisions 1 and 3; and 624.7181, subdivision 2. The revisor shall
11.3replace all other references to "semiautomatic military-style assault weapons" in statute
11.4with "assault weapons."
11.5 EFFECTIVE DATE.This section is effective September 1, 2013.
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I wonder if I could petition to have the northern and southern halves of the state separated.
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They already are, just look at the congressional districts. The southern half of the state controls the entire state....
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That's the problem I'm trying to solve.
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Smith & Wesson-is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.

RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.

FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1.

REMINGTON: Maxed out.

ARMALITE: Maxed out.

DPMS: Can't get enough parts to produce any more product.

COLT: Production runs increasing weekly...bottle necked by Bolt carrier's.

LWRC: Making only black guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel to make barrels.

Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind.

AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nationwide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in line.

MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime soon.

RELOADERS... ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no extra's for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months before things get caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the coming months. Stay tuned, we'll keep you posted...
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Hopefully it won't pass...

People need to seriously wake up!!! A war is being fought for the very essence of America. They have already severely limited and destroyed our 1st Amendment rights and plan to strip even more of them and now are going after the 2nd because once 1 and 2 fall the rest do not matter and America is dead.... True free speech and right to bear arms are the only stop gap to a Totalitarian system.
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Rep Paymar (St Paul) heard 10 gun bills in his committee last week ranging from prohibiting the so called gun show loophole, to a registry and surrender of existing 'assult' weapons. The testimony opposing the assult weapons ban bill was really good. Two weeks ago, it appeard that Paymar was going to try and vote some of the bills out of committee, but that changed by Monday of last week - a pretty clear sign that his caucus, many of whom are NRA endorsed, didn't want to vote on them.

I don't think the really bad bills (not that any are good or necessary) will pass, and it wouldnt surprise me if none of them make it to the floor of either body. With Obama making a stink, all sorts of tax increases, gay marriage and other politically charged issues, adding gun control isn't going to help the DFL maintain control next election cycle. Having said that, the urban delegation, who have been around for ever and aren't in any danger of losing their seats know that 2013-14 are a unique opportunity with MN goverment being controled top to bottom by the DFL. They might just go for it on every tax, environmental, social, medical and pet project they've ever wanted. In that case, it all depends on if Dayton wants to run again. He has been very cool to the idea expanding gun control.
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would not surprise me commifornia goes for confiscation!
  • Banning the possession — not just manufacture and sale — of magazines holding more than 10 rounds.
  • Making possession of hollow point bullets and similar “assault bullets” a felony.
  • Requiring anyone wishing to buy ammunition to first get a permit by passing a background check.
  • Requiring the registration and reporting of all ammo purchases. Limits the number of rounds anyone can have at one time to 500 rounds.
  • Requiring all gun owners will have to be licensed like drivers, and will be forced to carry gun liability insurance.
  • Banning any gun that has a detachable magazine, and requires a 100% prohibition of all fixed magazines greater than 10 rounds.
  • Making all previous grandfathered magazines become illegal, and it will become a felony if you keep one.
  • Prohibiting anyone barred from owning a weapon from living in a home where weapons are kept
  • Expanding the list of crimes that would bar a person from gun possession.
  • Letting the state Justice Department use money from the state’s Dealer’s Record of Sale system to eliminate the backlog of people identified as no longer allowed to own guns but not yet investigated and contacted by law enforcement.
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^^^If that's true...

Both of my 30.06s would be illegal (5 round detachable clips). All similar guns like the popular Rem 770 would be illegal, in all calibers. Many popular semi-auto 22's that are used for instructing kids how to shoot safely would be banned for fear the detachable magazines would shoot down airplanes and blow up railroads.

They're also forgetting about sport shooters. I only shoot twice a week, but I still buy shells by the case and regularly have over 500 rounds at a time. Not to mention the guys I know that shoot several days a week and reload their own.
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Like the point I made on Facebook a few weeks ago.. I can do as much "damage" with 3 10-round magazines (clips are what you use to hold your hair in place) as Joe Schmoe can do with a single 30-round magazine, and just about in the same amount of time... most shooters I know (hunting, target, etc.) are the same way.

But we have to ban stuff because it's big, black and scary-looking...
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I knew I liked this site for a reason. Living up here in New York with Fidel Cuomo I feel for you guys they take away our rights one by one and people cheer about it. How many people does it take make other realize that the second amendment doesn't protect the right to hunt (for all the people who's argument is "Why do you need that?") and that taking away the guns of the people who actually fallow the laws does not stop a single bit of "gun violence" people who's only exposure to guns at all being action movies, gangs, and the BS the media spits out are the problem. If people would just open there eyes and see that the guns are not the problem here! People kill people not guns
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Guns are too dangerous. Just think, a poor innocent rapist might get shot.
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They Really feel that way when it is your turn and not a statistic? ;)
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I knew I liked this site for a reason. Living up here in New York with Fidel Cuomo I feel for you guys they take away our rights one by one and people cheer about it. How many people does it take make other realize that the second amendment doesn't protect the right to hunt (for all the people who's argument is "Why do you need that?") and that taking away the guns of the people who actually fallow the laws does not stop a single bit of "gun violence" people who's only exposure to guns at all being action movies, gangs, and the BS the media spits out are the problem. If people would just open there eyes and see that the guns are not the problem here! People kill people not guns
I have words and testimony for the people who say "why do you need that". Send 'em my way.

I'm still alive and here thanks to owning gun and knowing how to use it.
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